The Official Forum
Page 3 of 4 12 3 4
Show 100 post(s) from this thread on one page

The Official Forum (https://forum.officiating.com/)
-   Basketball (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/)
-   -   Clippers vs Thunder Game 5 Clips (Video) (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/97898-clippers-vs-thunder-game-5-clips-video.html)

rockyroad Thu May 15, 2014 09:48am
Quote:
Originally Posted by MathReferee (Post 934129)
I am not really sure what Paul was going to do there anyway. The C definitely did not have a look and the L's view was likely blocked by the ball, keeping him from seeing if Jackson hit the ball or the arm. Looks like Jackson hit his arm, but I am not sold that the contact caused him to lose the ball anymore as it really looks like he was trying to throw a pass to Griffin which would have been stolen (likely) anyway.
Well now...it sure does look like Paul got hit on the arm. Hard to tell for sure, but it looks like it.

#olderthanilook Fri May 16, 2014 11:13am
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 934060)
Play #1: Foul. Not vertical defender makes contact to make a block.
I agree.

jeremy341a Fri May 16, 2014 01:26pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 934244)
I agree.

Why do you say he isn't vertical? His arm is the only thing that isn't but it doesn't make contact.

Adam Fri May 16, 2014 03:10pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 934028)
But the defender was straight up and the shooter created the contact. This is a prime example of the play I was talking about in the other thread.
I don't think this qualifies as "straight up."

Adam Fri May 16, 2014 03:13pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 934099)
"NBA official rule No. 8, Section 11, "If a player has his hand in contact with the ball and an opponent hits the hand causing the ball to go out-of-bounds, the team whose player had his hand on the ball retains possession."

We have no such rule in NFHS? Right? Possession goes to whomever touched it last? Right? How about NCAA?
Right, but we don't have replay that would allow us to see it that closely. I'd be hard pressed to see it THAT closely live.

Rooster Tue May 20, 2014 04:35pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by APG (Post 934109)
<IFRAME height=480 src="//www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/JhM1vvS-lGM" frameBorder=0 width=853 allowfullscreen></IFRAME>
Just 'cause I'm curious, who's supposed to get this secondary defender? C-side drive, C has the primary defender, no? Is L supposed to reach across the lane? This is a tough play and I'm not trying to start anything or cast any judgements, I just don't know how this goes down... Little help to a guy trying to learn 3 whistles?

Rooster Tue May 20, 2014 04:39pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 934021)
The Ibaka play wasn't a foul. At first viewing I wondered how the L could really see the contact given his position.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 934023)
Agree on all three.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 934025)
1. No foul on Ibaka.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 934060)
Play #1: Foul. Not vertical defender makes contact to make a block.

Peace
Again, I'm not trying to stir it up, I'm just curious... Let's go with Fed and NCAA rule sets on this play. Does Ibaka have LGP?

Camron Rust Tue May 20, 2014 04:42pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooster (Post 934515)
Just 'cause I'm curious, who's supposed to get this secondary defender? C-side drive, C has the primary defender, no? Is L supposed to reach across the lane? This is a tough play and I'm not trying to start anything or cast any judgements, I just don't know how this goes down... Little help to a guy trying to learn 3 whistles?
Depends.

If it had been either of the two defenders coming from the lane, the lead has those. In this case, the "2nd" defender was from outside on the C's side. The C is going to have to get that most of the time. The L could get it but probably wouldn't/shouldn't be looking that far out.

JRutledge Tue May 20, 2014 04:44pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooster (Post 934517)
Again, I'm not trying to stir it up, I'm just curious... Let's go with Fed and NCAA rule sets on this play. Does Ibaka have LGP?
It does not matter if he does, he was not trying to take a charge or just get in the way. He was not vertical IMO and that is why it was a foul. You can be in LGP and then not be vertical and that is why you should be called for a foul.

Peace

JRutledge Tue May 20, 2014 04:51pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooster (Post 934515)
Just 'cause I'm curious, who's supposed to get this secondary defender? C-side drive, C has the primary defender, no? Is L supposed to reach across the lane? This is a tough play and I'm not trying to start anything or cast any judgements, I just don't know how this goes down... Little help to a guy trying to learn 3 whistles?
I do not see why the Lead cannot make this call, he has the best angle. The Trail would be guessing looking through people and the Lead has an open look. The contact took place in the lane, not across the lane. You officiate where you can to help the crew. I saw no competitive match-ups that the Lead could not leave with a driving player to the lane. It is also possible he did not see it or got stacked up on the play, but he had a much better angle IMO than the Center.

Rooster Tue May 20, 2014 10:32pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 934519)
It does not matter if he does, he was not trying to take a charge or just get in the way. He was not vertical IMO and that is why it was a foul. You can be in LGP and then not be vertical and that is why you should be called for a foul.

Peace
Lemme know if I'm reading you right: You're saying that Ibaka moved toward the shooter and that's where the foul was, thus making him not vertical? (Contact with body at :25 on the video as far as I can tell.) Or are you saying that Ibaka's arm was outside his vertical plane?

Rooster Tue May 20, 2014 10:36pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 934518)
Depends.

If it had been either of the two defenders coming from the lane, the lead has those. In this case, the "2nd" defender was from outside on the C's side. The C is going to have to get that most of the time. The L could get it but probably wouldn't/shouldn't be looking that far out.
Ooof. That's a tough play to call. He's got to get both? That makes THOSE big bucks awfully big. :D

Camron Rust Wed May 21, 2014 12:34am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooster (Post 934541)
Ooof. That's a tough play to call. He's got to get both? That makes THOSE big bucks awfully big. :D
Well, yes. Covering 3 players isn't hard. They have to do that all game with 10 players and 3 officials.

JRutledge Wed May 21, 2014 11:08am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rooster (Post 934540)
Lemme know if I'm reading you right: You're saying that Ibaka moved toward the shooter and that's where the foul was, thus making him not vertical? (Contact with body at :25 on the video as far as I can tell.) Or are you saying that Ibaka's arm was outside his vertical plane?
Ibaka was not vertical when he jumped. Not only did he jump towards the shooter, he also had his arm was not vertical. Not sure how this is hard to understand.

Peace

Rooster Wed May 21, 2014 03:40pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 934546)
Well, yes. Covering 3 players isn't hard. They have to do that all game with 10 players and 3 officials.
Yep, we all have to do that. Some of us have to do it with two officials. I'm remarking on picking up two defenders on a drive. That's the tough part. And clearly it's difficult because a foul got missed. There is no way the C could tell if W15 makes contact. At least he didn’t guess.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:55pm.
Page 3 of 4 12 3 4
Show 100 post(s) from this thread on one page



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1