Clippers vs Thunder Game 5 Clips (Video)
 

<iframe width="853" height="480" src="//www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/-6K0yZVV2iE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

And the two plays you're going to see a lot today:

OOB Review (plus people trying to claim that Jackson was fouled on the play)
<iframe width="853" height="480" src="//www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/8FaYUd_ejXs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Chris Paul fouling Westbrook on late-game three attempt:
<iframe width="853" height="480" src="//www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/uyN5ZX4uT8s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

The Ibaka play wasn't a foul. At first viewing I wondered how the L could really see the contact given his position.

The OOB was called correctly based on the NBA's rules.

The CP3 foul was a textbook example of the sort of play the league told officials to watch for in its playoff POE video.

Atricle with game, rules discussion and referee comments.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/clipper...082955731.html

Oh yeah, and Doc Rivers has some comments too.....

Agree on all three.

1. No foul on Ibaka.

2. Barnes fouled Jackson, but I can see how it was missed.

3. Easy foul call on the 3-pointer.


CP3 was fouled on the last play of the game, need that replay. The outside defender (Jackson??), hit CP3 on the right bicep, causing him to fumble the ball.

What did the defender do wrong?

Hit the shooter on the elbow when the ball was still in the hand.

But the defender was straight up and the shooter created the contact. This is a prime example of the play I was talking about in the other thread.

This play is a prime example of a text book foul on a jump shooter. CP3 flexed his hand into BW's elbow.

If the defender goes straight up, there's no way he contacts the shooter's elbow the way he does.

I am a completely biased long-time Clippers fan, so my views are tainted.

1) Ibaka play was a foul. Both C and L have the foul call and agree that it seemed like a difficult angle from the L.

2) Apparently the OOB call is correct based on NBA rules. I am not sure it was the contact with the left hand that made the ball go OOB though as I see Jackson's right hand causing it to go OOB, but I have no clue how that rule is worded/written so that may be irrelevant.

3) The foul on the three is tough to swallow. I see a vertical defensive player and contact only occurs due to the offensive player's motion. I could see a foul if Paul was moving into Westbrook at all, but since I see him as vertical, I do not see a foul.

4) Regardless, Paul was fouled on the last play, but neither C, nor L were in a good position to see it. L was the only one that could see, but Ibaka stepped right in front.

Again, completely biased and they never should have been in that position if they could have held on to the ball, not set an illegal screen, and played better transition defense at the end.

#3 is a text book foul on a jump shooter, and the kinda of pickup by an official that will get you positive feedback in camp.

The defender went straight up and had his arms straight up, which is what I saw last night. On a further viewing of the slow motion above, I see a little wrist flick on the elbow that I didn't see before. I believe I was wrong and that it was a good call.

Play #1: Foul. Not vertical defender makes contact to make a block.

Play #2: Not a foul, contact with the hand while on the ball. Maybe NBA rules are differnet, but this is not a foul at the NF and NCAA level.

Play #3: Paul was not vertical and taps elbow. And it is clear this was a foul by how badly the result of the shot. Westbrook basically air balled the shot.

Peace

Agree on #1 and #3.

#2, it looks like a foul to me, but it was close. I don't think he contacted the part of the hand that was touching the ball. Looked like he got a lot more of the wrist than the hand that was on the ball.

Say what???

Anyone got video of the last play where the OKC defender pokes the ball away from Paul who is trying to go up against Ibaka? I sure don't remember there being any foul on that play.

Again, Clippers fanboy tainted goggles on, but I am pretty sure that in the one replay shown right after the play that there was contact on the forearm and not any contact on the ball. Seeing that no one else is really talking about that at all, then I could be wrong.

I will give in and agree Paul was not vertical on the Westbrook shot and it was a foul.

I'm waiting for the video, b/c I immediately thought it was a foul from the first replay on TNT.

I think he got some of the wrist too, but I believe he contacted the hand mostly. And if I have to look at the video at that rate to determine what he got, then it was not obvious enough for me to call.

Peace

Hmmm...just looked to me like Jackson (I think) reached in and poked the ball away. Video will tell...

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ps4bd3b005.jpg

CP initiates contact (even if so slight) on RW's arm. CP did a similar walk under to Stephen Curry in the previous series where no foul was called. Perhaps this play was reviewed by the crew to watch for such actions.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_...gif?1398404890

I do not see the two plays as the same. The no-call against GS was a flop too. I think when a player flops, it often gets an official to try not to fall for the overreaction to the play. Westbrook stood tall and clearly shot an air ball. He did not exaggerate contact or act like he was killed. I know I see many of these passed on a lot when players act like a little arm contact made them fall to the floor.

I am sure the first play did get talked about and might have been suggested by the NBA that it was a foul missed. But I think the flop did not help the case for GT to have a foul called.

Peace

Inquiring Minds Want To Know ...
 

"NBA official rule No. 8, Section 11, "If a player has his hand in contact with the ball and an opponent hits the hand causing the ball to go out-of-bounds, the team whose player had his hand on the ball retains possession."

We have no such rule in NFHS? Right? Possession goes to whomever touched it last? Right? How about NCAA?

<iframe width="853" height="480" src="//www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/JhM1vvS-lGM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

On this last play, it doesn't look like either official, the C or the L gets a good look at this.

Mostly hand isn't enough to avoid a foul if the wrist/arm is also contacted. Only the hand is legal. As with any call, if you are not able to see it, don't call it, but that one could be seen by some.

In fact, they both had horrible angles to see it. I'm not saying they were in the wrong spots, necessarily, just that the play developed to block the view from both positions at just the wrong time.

As for the play, Jackson wasn't anywhere near the ball. Looks like he did probably slap Paul's elbow. That said, I think Paul was losing the ball already and any contact there may have been didn't change that. The end result was the correct result.

Rivers got one thing right in his comments--get rid of video review. It's confusing, slows down the action, and makes the on court officials pointless.


Btw the League says the video was inconclusive and the call on the court stands.
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...oc-rivers-fine

I am not really sure what Paul was going to do there anyway. The C definitely did not have a look and the L's view was likely blocked by the ball, keeping him from seeing if Jackson hit the ball or the arm. Looks like Jackson hit his arm, but I am not sold that the contact caused him to lose the ball anymore as it really looks like he was trying to throw a pass to Griffin which would have been stolen (likely) anyway.

I don't think the GS no call was a flop. He may have embellished but the shooter was not fading at all until CP comes and gives him the walk under. He definitely took away his landing spot.

Well now...it sure does look like Paul got hit on the arm. Hard to tell for sure, but it looks like it.

I agree.

Why do you say he isn't vertical? His arm is the only thing that isn't but it doesn't make contact.

I don't think this qualifies as "straight up."

Right, but we don't have replay that would allow us to see it that closely. I'd be hard pressed to see it THAT closely live.

Just 'cause I'm curious, who's supposed to get this secondary defender? C-side drive, C has the primary defender, no? Is L supposed to reach across the lane? This is a tough play and I'm not trying to start anything or cast any judgements, I just don't know how this goes down... Little help to a guy trying to learn 3 whistles?

Again, I'm not trying to stir it up, I'm just curious... Let's go with Fed and NCAA rule sets on this play. Does Ibaka have LGP?

Depends.

If it had been either of the two defenders coming from the lane, the lead has those. In this case, the "2nd" defender was from outside on the C's side. The C is going to have to get that most of the time. The L could get it but probably wouldn't/shouldn't be looking that far out.

It does not matter if he does, he was not trying to take a charge or just get in the way. He was not vertical IMO and that is why it was a foul. You can be in LGP and then not be vertical and that is why you should be called for a foul.

Peace

I do not see why the Lead cannot make this call, he has the best angle. The Trail would be guessing looking through people and the Lead has an open look. The contact took place in the lane, not across the lane. You officiate where you can to help the crew. I saw no competitive match-ups that the Lead could not leave with a driving player to the lane. It is also possible he did not see it or got stacked up on the play, but he had a much better angle IMO than the Center.

Lemme know if I'm reading you right: You're saying that Ibaka moved toward the shooter and that's where the foul was, thus making him not vertical? (Contact with body at :25 on the video as far as I can tell.) Or are you saying that Ibaka's arm was outside his vertical plane?

Ooof. That's a tough play to call. He's got to get both? That makes THOSE big bucks awfully big. :D

Well, yes. Covering 3 players isn't hard. They have to do that all game with 10 players and 3 officials.

Ibaka was not vertical when he jumped. Not only did he jump towards the shooter, he also had his arm was not vertical. Not sure how this is hard to understand.

Peace

Also, according to an NBA memo from this season, defenders lose the "verticality" advantage if they are turned sideways.

http://www.nba.com/media/Verticality...ar_31_2014.pdf