RefCT, No Rule Change For You (With Apologies To The Soup Nazi) ...
 

Another reason why we probably don't need RefCT's suggested rule change.

The shooter has an advantage in rebounding, in that when you wait for the hit, it is impossible to get across the lane in time to box him out (if the shooter makes an effort). When you go on the release, and the shooter has to wait for the hit, it is easy to box him out.

Solution Without A Problem ...
 

I can see your point, but like Camron Rust stated earlier, it only happens, maybe, three, or four, times a year, i.e., free throw shooter getting own rebound (I think Camron Rust's numbers are a little too high), so I doubt that the NFHS sees this as a problem.

Neither way is a problem as long as officials are willing to:

(1) Call lane violations and

(2) Call rebounding fouls.

Wouldn't change my life either way, to be honest.

If it is an advantage, they certainly are not taking advantage of it more. It is so rare that you go most of the season and not see this situation. Usually the guys closer are in a little early anyway and this does not even give the shooter a chance.

I just feel that we have a rule that is so inconsistently applied by official and we really need to just go back to what other levels do. It was never that rough in the first place. It is no different than any other rebounding situation.

Peace

Haste Makes Waste (Of Bandwidth) ...
 

Thanks guys. I changed the date from 1993 to 1997.

This is what confused me: 2006-08 NFHS Basketball Handbook: 1993: Player along lane may not break plane of free throw line until ball hit backboard, etc.

You would think that after thirty-three years I would know the difference between a free throw line, and a lane line?

Now I'm never going to realize my dream of becoming an esteemed Forum member. One step forward. Two steps backward.

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I am just saying that I am not too old to forget these kinds of things yet. ;)

Peace

Full disclosure - I'm still bitter about the shooter getting a key rebound on us on a purposely missed free throw. It was a perfect miss - bounced hard back to him.

Also - I agree what other people said. Call the violations. I teach my kids to go in when the ball's about a foot away. We never get called. I also teach them, if the opponent goes in early - u go too. Because, it so rarely gets called.

A Rare Sighting ...
 

I've seen this tried several times as a player, coach, and official, and I've never actually seen it work. Usually the shooter violates by missing the rim and just hits the backboard.

Thanks NevadaRef
 

Thanks for clarifying what I was going to ask in a follow-up question Nevadaref.

Billy and Adam - I was not aware what the rule actually read, so thanks for pointing that out. I never even considered the change in rule (as stated in my OP) until a very veteran Varsity official (state finals guy) had the situation occur in a V game after my JV game and he said he knew the sub shouldn't have come in but let him anyway (it was a taunting call after a made basket, no PF). I then saw the same situation with other very veteran officials a couple other times.

Even though I only lurk most of the time, following this forum has expanded my knowledge tremendously and I thank you all. It is time I hit the books again this summer and really study on what the rules are saying.

Thanks everyone for the continued conversations. It is always giving me the "how would I handle the situation" question and it is interesting to see the different interpretations.

Rule Changes Announcment
 

Does anybody know when the new rules will be announced?

It's Like the Anticipation Of Christmas Morning ...
 

The NFHS press release came out on May 8, 2013 last year.

(Imagine Carly Simon singing Anticipation here.)

Thanks MTD !!!!
 

Just what we need, someone validating a response form Billy Mac !!!! Now that he thinks he is right, we may have to hear him for the entire off -season !!! :D:D:D

And Will I Get An Esteemed Forum Member Secret Decoder Ring ???
 

Will this help me realize my dream of becoming an esteemed Forum member.

Anyhow, there you go. Well earned. :D

I Can't Wait To Call My Mom And Tell Her ...
 

I’d like to thank all the little people who made this possible, but I can’t remember your names. When will I receive my Basketball Forum Esteemed Member decoder ring? Also, I understand that there's some type of monetary stipend attached to this honor. I'd like to forgo the stipend and turn it over to the Basketball Forum Education Fund. I'd like to, but I can't, because I need the money, so please send it to me as soon as possible.

I need to get new business cards, one's that read "Esteemed Forum Member". What am I supposed to do with the 10,000 old business cards that I had printed up? Wait? On second thought, don't answer that.

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I don't care about the shot clock thing, but I pray every day that the NFHS will require PTS for Varsity games. One can hope.

If you can even get it for State play-off games, you should be happy.

That is one big wish. The schools I was around that used it stopped using it because of the cost it would take to keep it.

Peace

I know, I was only half serious. :)

That is one thing I've never understood....why it costs anything to keep it. Something like PTS should be a producthat the schools buy, not a service they subscribe to. There is nothing the manufacturer should be needed for after it is installed. I can't imagine what additional service they could be providing that would require an ongoing subscription.

Well at one time the system used to be around $5000. And you had replace batteries and other maintenance that I was told about. I honestly do not know much about the system overall, just was told that the initial cost was only part of the system. And with the cost was one of the reasons the school the reason the school that was allowed to borrow the device.

Peace

Probably the $5,000 to start but then a good chunk more every year just to have it. The batteries "should" be cheap unless they choose a proprietary form just so they can mark up the replacements to a high price...sort of like cell phone accessories used to be until some governments in the world made the cell phone makers (except for Apple for some reason) converge to universal standards (micro-USB) so chargers and other accessories from one work on all others and you don't have to rebuy them for every new phone.


I also think the company doesn't actually sell the system...I think they only lease it. With no competition, they can get away with that and pretty much charge what they want.

Maybe a couple of use tech-types should get together with a few marketing/sales types and invent a competing system!;)

How long has PTS been around? Is it possible they still have patent/trade secret protection?

If they do have a patent, should be near expiration. PTS has been in use for over 15 years, probably closer to 20 and patents expire 20 years after the first filing. They would have filed for the patent before selling the product. (It used to be 17 years from issue, but that changed in the mid-90's.).

Even if they have patents on it, their patented method can't be the only way to do something like that.