Final piece of the puzzle

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Unless I'm missing something, there is a significant flaw in this answer.

If both officials only had a fist up, they may still have had different judgments on the same play, but in this case it is perfectly acceptable when one overrides the other?

I once watched a game in which only one official signaled and the other just put up a fist. However, the official who didn't signal completely disagreed with his partner's call and after a conversion a double-foul was reported.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I once watched a game in which only one official signaled and the other just put up a fist. However, the official who didn't signal completely disagreed with his partner's call and after a conversion a double-foul was reported.

And that's what the case play says to do. The officials made two different rulings and reported both fouls.

Who did or didn't make a preliminary block/charge signal has nothing to do with it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

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Who did or didn't make a preliminary block/charge signal has nothing to do with it.

Yes it does. Why do you think you get to speak for all officials and what they are interpreting or thinking?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Yes it does. Why do you think you get to speak for all officials and what they are interpreting?

I'm not speaking for anybody. I'm voicing an opinion. Apparently the official in Nevadaref's play had the same opinion.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'm not speaking for anybody. I'm voicing an opinion. Apparently the official in Nevadaref's play had the same opinion.

"Who did or didn't make a preliminary block/charge signal has nothing to do with it."

Well, I'm telling that it does matter in every signal game I've ever worked unless I'm working a summer league or AAU tournament that has NCAA-Women's rules.

Even when I work games with officials who normall work NCAA-Women's basketball, they know that unless we are working NCAA-W's rules, that preliminary signals determine whether or not we have to report a blarge.

Of course, NCAA-Women's officials already know that preliminary signals equal ruling/calling, because it explicitly says so in their rule set.

[JRutledge]

BTW, there was a play in one of the State Finals where one official gave a block and the other signaled a charge. Well the State Rules Interpreter pointed out they did not go with a double foul when I had a conversation with him about that weekend. So it appears that he was not happy with the fact they ignored what the other official's signal was given.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No one around here is questioning the casebook that is already written. And once again, you do not live in our state and we are not having this debate ANYWHERE!!!!

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge

BTW, there was a play in one of the State Finals where one official gave a block and the other signaled a charge. Well the State Rules Interpreter pointed out they did not go with a double foul when I had a conversation with him about that weekend.

What state was this? Sounds like a debate to me.