NC: Kentucky vs UConn

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

DeRosa throwing the opening tip.

That wasn't DeRosa.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Was the final foul of the first half in the act of shooting?
Seemed that the player had the ball in his right hand when fouled and then switched it over to his left for his shot.
2.9 secs on the clock

[Nevadaref]

UConn player on the wing with about 12:50 on the clock in the first half.
Did he travel before going around his defender for a dunk?

[grunewar]

About midway through the first half UCONN guard drives the lane and leaves his feet and passes to his team mate on his right. His player misses the ball, looks like the ball goes untouched, and the same guard retrieves his own pass. Happening right in front of the KY bench, Coach Calipari, needless to say, has a little hissy fit.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Was the final foul of the first half in the act of shooting?
Seemed that the player had the ball in his right hand when fouled and then switched it over to his left for his shot.
2.9 secs on the clock

While I haven't look at the video to see the play, why would it matter that he switched hands?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While I haven't look at the video to see the play, why would it matter that he switched hands?

Pretty tough to define it as continuous motion when the other hand is used to shoot the ball.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Pretty tough to define it as continuous motion when the other hand is used to shoot the ball.

Not sure I've ever heard that interpretation before. If it is all in one effort/motion, I view it as continuous.

[just another ref]

Only time I've seen this argument is when the contact knocks the ball completely free, then the airborne player grabs it out of the air and puts it in.

[rockyroad]

Any chance we can get video of the play Nevadaref is talking about?? I didn't see it, and am having a hard time picturing what is being discussed...did the player jump to shoot right handed, get hit, and then shift ball to left hand and shoot before landing?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not sure I've ever heard that interpretation before. If it is all in one effort/motion, I view it as continuous.

The argument is simple. If the ball wasn't in his left hand when he was fouled and that is the hand the player eventually shoots it with, then he couldn't have been in the act of shooting FOR THAT TRY at the time of the foul.
To put it in question form: how could he have already begun the try when the ball wasn't even in the hand that he used to shoot?

If an official is going to consider that continuous motion, then the player should be permitted to execute a crossover dribble between the foul and the try. What difference does it make if the ball bounces on the floor or not in the switch between one hand and the other?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The argument is simple. If the ball wasn't in his left hand when he was fouled and that is the hand the player eventually shoots it with, then he couldn't have been in the act of shooting FOR THAT TRY at the time of the foul.
To put it in question form: how could he have already begun the try when the ball wasn't even in the hand that he used to shoot?

If an official is going to consider that continuous motion, then the player should be permitted to execute a crossover dribble between the foul and the try. What difference does it make if the ball bounces on the floor or not in the switch between one hand and the other?

I've never seen anything that even remotely suggests what you're suggesting....that a try that starts in one hand can't be shifted to the other. The attempt to score begins when that start to go up with the ball and continues until they release the "try", lose the ball, or come down with it. Whatever specific movement they do with the ball after they start going up to score is of no consequence.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not sure I've ever heard that interpretation before. If it is all in one effort/motion, I view it as continuous.

Just b/c you view it one way doesn't mean it's correct, or what's interpreted elsewhere is incorrect.

I know I saw Harrison go to through lane in the 2nd half, get bumped, then pass the ball off. And I know I saw the Crew Chief indicate a "pass off" and give Harrison bonus free throws instead of 2 shots.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Just b/c you view it one way doesn't mean it's correct, or what's interpreted elsewhere is incorrect.

I know I saw Harrison go to through lane in the 2nd half, get bumped, then pass the ball off. And I know I saw the Crew Chief indicate a "pass off" and give Harrison bonus free throws instead of 2 shots.

True, but have you ever heard anyone say that shifting the ball from one hand to the other ends the try?

And I agreed with the pass off call. I don't think he was in the shooting motion on that play...not because he ultimately passed but because he was never in a shooting motion.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That wasn't DeRosa.

Really? Sure looked like it was him. Well you Yanks would know better than I would

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

Really? Sure looked like it was him. Well you Yanks would know better than I would

The taller white guy is not DeRosa. I will look at the replay to be sure, but I am pretty positive that was not DeRosa.

BTW, Doug Shows was an official I saw at a UConn at DePaul game last season. Shows T's up Ollie for being out of the coaching box. UConn won in kind of a blowout, but I never forgot him after that afternoon game I attended.

Peace