Wisconsin / Kentucky

[bballref3966]

Close goaltending no-call at 16:36 in second half. Would love to get another look at it. Was on its downward flight, appeared to be above the ring, but not sure it had the possibility of entering the basket.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Close goaltending no-call at 16:36 in second half. Would love to get another look at it. Was on its downward flight, appeared to be above the ring, but not sure it had the possibility of entering the basket.

I thought it was a good call. Unless it is grossly off (it wasn't), I don't think any official would rule that it has no chance of going in.

EDIT: My comments were about the other GT was called.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I thought it was a good call. Unless it is grossly off (it wasn't), I don't think any official would rule that it has no chance of going in.

Except the opposite of your comment is what the officials did.
There was no whistle on the play and Kentucky was permitted to score.
Thus the decision must have been that the ball didn't have a chance to go in.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Except the opposite of your comment is what the officials did.
There was no whistle on the play and Kentucky was permitted to score.
This the decision must have been that the ball didn't have a chance to go in.

OK, that is a different play. I was thinking of the one where UK was on defense and swatted the ball just after the peak....and they called it.

Without going back to video at the moment, I think they one you may be talking about is the one where the ball was coming up short, perhaps not so short that it couldn't go in, and was tipped in.

Can't be GT in the NCAA, by rule....

Rule 4
Section 34. Goaltending
Art. 1. Goaltending occurs when a defensive player touches the ball during a field-goal try and each of the following conditions is met:

So, there is no restriction on the offense touching the ball on the downward flight. The NCAA rules makes it so that we don't have to differentiate between alley-oops right at the rim and shots that get tipped in on their way down.

NFHS, however, doesn't make the distinction between offense or defense.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

OK, that is a different play. I was thinking of the one where UK was on defense and swatted the ball just after the peak....and they called it.

Without going back to video at the moment, I think they one you may be talking about is the one where the ball was coming up short, perhaps not so short that it couldn't go in, and was tipped in.

Can't be GT in the NCAA, by rule....



So, there is no restriction on the offense touching the ball on the downward flight. The NCAA rules makes it so that we don't have to differentiate between alley-oops right at the rim and shots that get tipped in on their way down.

NFHS, however, doesn't make the distinction between offense or defense.

Wait. So in HS the offense can commit goaltending? Do you have a video example?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Wait. So in HS the offense can commit goaltending? Do you have a video example?

Yes they can happen. But it is rare you ever see it or it is advocated to be called.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

I have to wonder if the NCAA wording was changed. I'll have to do some checking.
Otherwise, it seems terribly unfair that a defensive player cannot touch such a ball, but an offensive player may. Where's the balance?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Wait. So in HS the offense can commit goaltending? Do you have a video example?

I've never seen it, but it could happen.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Wait. So in HS the offense can commit goaltending? Do you have a video example?

Not high school...this happened last year in an NBA game...Noah was correctly called for goaltending:

Originally Posted by APG

Not high school...this happened last year in an NBA game...Noah was correctly called for goaltending

I dunno man, that color guy sounded pretty convincing.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by APG

Not high school...this happened last year in an NBA game...Noah was correctly called for goaltending:

Don't you just love how the guys getting paid to announce the game don't know the difference between BI and GT and keep talking about how the player touched the ball while it was outside of the cylinder?

Btw I don't know much about NBA rules, but if this video has any credence, then per the info in this thread there is offensive GT in both Hs and the NBA, but not in the NCAA. That would be strange.