Euro step travel last minute Dayton/Syr no way it gets called
 

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Not gonna get called when games on the line??

Totally agree. You can't call that when the game is on the line!!

Not gonna get called when the game's not on the line.

are you competing with Jeremy for worst Video Awards?

Seriously!

Perhaps he could take the video above and play it on a first generation iPhone and record it with a BetaMax Camcorder, play that back on a 1960's TV then record that with a modern cell phone.

Oh, wait, he already did that. :confused:


For those that feel that the video is so important that they have to shakily handhold a cell phone with their finger partly covering the lens to record what is showing on their TV....just don't.

So you're philosophy is throw the rule book out in the final seconds?

I can't tell if his left foot is still down when he gathers the dribble, so it's not clear to me that this is a travel. If it's not clear, you probably shouldn't call it.

I can't tell from the video either, and my philosophy on travels is similar to yours. In fact I probably call the fewest travels amongst other officials. I was commenting on their point of view regarding what calls to make when the game is "on the line".

The OP is on some kind of crusade without having an understanding of traveling or the concept of a gather or a pivot foot being able to leave the floor as long as it doesn't return.

jeremy wins for most quantity of worst video, jump stop wins for worst quality of video.

I was being sarcastic. Enforce the rules as written at all times.

If jump stop's account wasn't three years old I would have thought we are hearing from potato again.

I agree I need some better video skills

Stop video at :48 Ball clearly gathered with 2 hands with left foot on floor, he swings ball over his head and right foot is now on floor ( so now left foot is established as pivot foot), he then brings left foot back to floor and shoots. My crusade is that this is a clear travel that does not get called.

I call as many travels as anyone, and I don't see it here. If you have to freeze frame, back up, and slow motion to see it, I'd rather not call it.

On this play, even with those features, I can't tell.

There's a guy on my old board named Randy that is known for accurate travel calls. I'd like to see him on these games. He'd call them I know he would. lol

I tell new guys that if your 2 best calls are 3-second violations and travels you are going to have a tough career.

Travelin' Man, That's What I Am (Lynyrd Skynyrd) ...
 

Actually. Travels are the toughest call for me. Not block charges. Not weird out of bounds plays (I ask for help if I need it). Not managing coaches (piece of cake). I can easily get the travel at the start of a dribble, and have little problem with most dribble stops (determining when possession begins after picking up the dribble) but I always have a tough time with jump stops, especially the variety where the ball handler ends up with "no pivot feet" but may still legally try for goal after lifting his feet.

Yeah but I just posted other bad videos. I didn't make them. I think I lost my spot on the throne.

I am sorry, I do not see a travel.

Peace

the view from the back (:48 of video) shows the left foot down and dribble ended (both hands on ball), steps on to right foot, steps on to left foot again, finish. I didn't catch it watching live, or from the sideline angle. So I'm in the group that says this is a travel but one that I would probably not call unless I had a completely unobstructed view and knew what I was looking at.

You do not see the ball clearly, which is one of the most important part of calling a travel. All angles are obstructed to some extent and it is a judgment if you feel that he has completely gathered the ball with a foot on the floor or in the air.

To me it has to be very obvious, not something we have to slow down to see.

Peace

I'm glad you call this a crusade because you could be fighting this cause for a long time...... I just don't see a travel and quite frankly if you called this on a consistent basis, I don't think you would be around that long in a certain leagues.

As far as the whole Jeremy thing, I think we may have scared him away !!!!!

The view from the back has the ball disappearing, I do not see clear possession from that angle until the right foot is down (hating that I cursed my eyes to this video in the first place).

Your definition of clearly and mine seem to differ greatly. I can't even see 4/5 of the ball, nor can I see one of the hands, at 0:48. If you can, I applaud you on your xray vision, sir. :)

Not a travel. Not at any point in the game.

Two hands on the ball doesn't mean he's gathered/possessed it. Those on this crusade seem to be wanting to judge the pivot foot the instant the ball is touched.

What does two hands on the ball mean if it doesn't mean possession?

It might not in 0.1% of the cases, but in the overwhelming majority of cases, two hands on is holding the ball. Two hand on that remain on is the start of a hold. What else could it be?

Start of, exactly. I'm not judging the pivot foot status at that instant, which is what all the stop-action video people are trying to do. I'm ensuring that the ball is actually gathered/possessed first.

When the hold starts and is when the pivot foot restrictions begin. The rules define no window of activity that is excepted. The rules don't define anything else. You may wait to see if it remains in control to confirm they really did catch it but the pivot foot restrictions still began when they got two hands on the ball.

It takes time to recognize two hands and identify the pivot foot, though. Too many people want to stop the film at the instant the two hands touch the ball.

Sorry, I'm never going to try to cut it that fine. My job isn't playing "gotcha" with stuff like this.

(I really do think you can be "too good" when it comes to traveling. There's a reason why so many are "missed" and it's not because those guys can't identify it. Of course they can, they're top officials because they see things and can process them extremely well.)

I don't know if this was your intention, but in a roundabout way what you're saying is that "err on the side of caution" has been taken to such an extreme that, to me, it is not acceptable. Most will agree that if slow motion instant replay is needed to make a travel call, it shouldn't be made. But isn't this like anything else, some officials can see it better than others? If I call a travel and replay proves it wrong, we all agree it's a bad call. But if I call a travel that you didn't see and replay proves it right, it seems to me that you, and others, in no way see it as a good call. Is this a fair assessment or not?