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Old Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:01pm
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I wish someone would tell me what a "touch foul" is.

If contact places an opponent at a disadvantage, it's a foul, no matter how minimal the contact is. If a player gains an advantage with contact, it's a foul, no matter how minimal the contact is. I'm 100% sure that the three guys on the floor are much more familiar with how John Adams wants the game called than anyone hear.

Know the rules, go to the table, request a timeout for the shot clock mistake and you don't get tossed.
I have no dog in this hunt ... but there were far too many fouls called that the vast majority of NCAA referees would have not called. Incidental contact that didn't affect the game at all, that sort of thing.
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Old Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:06pm
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I have no dog in this hunt ... but there were far too many fouls called that the vast majority of NCAA referees would have not called. Incidental contact that didn't affect the game at all, that sort of thing.
Well, that wasn't incidental contact on the second play. He wasn't arguing the foul, he was talking about the shot clock. It just looked like he was arguing the call. However he had no rope left because he complained the whole time he was in the game.
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Old Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:52pm
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2nd T

JetMet, thanks for posting. After seeing this, I'm having a really hard time deciding how I would handle that situation (the 2nd T).

Miles was clearly pointing at the table, trying to get their attention, and Hess wasted no time sticking him without even trying to understand WHY he was flagging them down/pointing at the table.

As we've discussed in other threads, officials have been known to 'un-do' a T...and if Mr. Hess took 2-3 seconds to listen, he probably wouldn't have sent Miles packing early. I can also see the argument that Miles ran out of leash...this is a tough one!
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Old Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:35pm
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Miles was clearly pointing at the table, trying to get their attention, and Hess wasted no time sticking him without even trying to understand WHY he was flagging them down/pointing at the table.
Matt, look at the replay at around 1:53. He is walking toward the division line waving his arms. Only after Hess starts towards him does he point at the table. By then, it's too late.
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Old Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:54pm
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Matt, look at the replay at around 1:53. He is walking toward the division line waving his arms. Only after Hess starts towards him does he point at the table. By then, it's too late.
Good point...it's too bad (I'm not a Nebraskan) because if you've ever listened to Miles or seen him in action he is one of the most-sportsmanlike coaches I've ever seen...definitely got caught up in the moment today.
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Old Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:20pm
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1st play was the definitely marginal at best. Hand is on top of the ball. Picked a bad time to go bezerk
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Old Fri Mar 21, 2014, 09:38pm
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Hard to be overly critical of fellow officials. Having said that, I think it was far from the best officiated game of the past couple of days.
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Old Sat Mar 22, 2014, 11:44am
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I like both fouls and Ts.

The first one the player "bellied up" the shooter and then the other player hit the shooter on the elbow and wrist.

The second play the defender was not vertical. It does not seem that was the reason the coach was complaining, but the coach went out of the box, way out of the box. I like the second T for that too.

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Old Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:35pm
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Matt, look at the replay at around 1:53. He is walking toward the division line waving his arms. Only after Hess starts towards him does he point at the table. By then, it's too late.
Just curious, are you saying that walking towards the division line waving ones arms is sufficient for getting a (2nd) technical?
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Old Sat Mar 22, 2014, 12:11am
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Just curious, are you saying that walking towards the division line waving ones arms is sufficient for getting a (2nd) technical?
He was considerably out of the coaching box, wasn't he?
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Old Sat Mar 22, 2014, 12:13am
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Both fouls were consistent to what I've seen this week.
A lot of the "touch fouls" I've seen were defender passively guarding, and not calls I'd make in a high school game.

(BYU-Oregon was "touch foul" central. (Eyewitness.) 45+ fouls, and that was a 20 point difference.)

Coach must request a time out, can't go to the table. Saw this called two-plus decades ago by Dave Libbey. Looks terrible, but it is what it is.


Not like the refs called a T for dunking in the pre-game warm ups.
Oh, wait.
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Old Sat Mar 22, 2014, 09:41am
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Hard to call a timeout when you don't have the ball...just saying
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