Coach calls out "JV official" in tourney game, on the record

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'm not even giving him that much credit. I think he thought he was just being clever and demeaning the refs.

I do not disagree. I have just seen a lot of situations over the years where you work a lower level game and then the coach thinks that is where you normally work. Had it happen many times with a varsity official filling in on a no-show or some kind of scheduling mix up, then when you go to the varsity game that night, the coach tries to point out your "level" during that game. And many times the coach did not realize he was dealing with a very experienced official and sometimes the most experienced official that night.

Either way it is a dig and mean to question the ability of the official.

Peace

[deecee]

It's been said already but his behavior, or lack thereof, is a result of him being allowed to act the way he does with little/no repercussions.

I have been told by a few different people to stop doing JV games as soon as possible because Varsity coaches will keep seeing me as a JV official.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I have been told by a few different people to stop doing JV games as soon as possible because Varsity coaches will keep seeing me as a JV official.

This probably varies by area, but I could see it having that impact.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I have been told by a few different people to stop doing JV games as soon as possible because Varsity coaches will keep seeing me as a JV official.

Originally Posted by Adam

This probably varies by area, but I could see it having that impact.

Agree with Adam...this would be a regional thing. In some areas, V officials often work JV games too.

Here, the top V officials usually only work JV games if it is in a double header with the V game and only if there are not enough officials to cover all the games in a given night with 2 officials per game.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I have been told by a few different people to stop doing JV games as soon as possible because Varsity coaches will keep seeing me as a JV official.

Depends. If you are already established in your area, you can pretty much work whatever and not get any blowback. But if you are still trying to establish yourself as a "varsity" official, then avoiding JV games is probably best, if possible.


There is a college supervisor who puts in his contracts that his officials have to stop working HS games.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Depends.

There is a college supervisor who puts in his contracts that his officials have to stop working HS games.

Now I doubt anyone would push it, and de facto he can do so simply by not scheduling anyone who does work HS games, but I don't think he can legally bar an independent contractor from working other games.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by scrounge

Now I doubt anyone would push it, and de facto he can do so simply by not scheduling anyone who does work HS games, but I don't think he can legally bar an independent contractor from working other games.

He can't. But he can terminate their contract; doesn't even have to go through the ruse of not scheduling them for any games.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

He can't. But he can terminate their contract; doesn't even have to go through the ruse of not scheduling them for any games.

There's a college football conference in my area that has done the same thing. No more Friday football for those guys.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

There is a college supervisor who puts in his contracts that his officials have to stop working HS games.

That's bs, unless this guy is giving you 50+ college games a season.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

That's bs, unless this guy is giving you 50+ college games a season.

You have the choice not to work for him. He's a D1 supervisor, doesn't take very many game to replace a HS paycheck.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by AremRed

That's bs, unless this guy is giving you 50+ college games a season.

To borrow from my BV assignor in situations like this when people disagree with a policy: "You don't have to give up your HS games. You also don't have to work any college games, either."

There's a HS assignor in my area who tells officials if they give back one of his games for a JUCO/NCAA game he'll pull their schedule. Now that's nuts.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

To borrow from my BV assignor in situations like this when people disagree with a policy: "You don't have to give up your HS games. You also don't have to work any college games, either."

There's a HS assignor in my area who tells officials if they give back one of his games for a JUCO/NCAA game he'll pull their schedule. Now that's nuts.

And yet he's well within his right to do that.

Me, I think that's counterproductive. As an assignor, I'd want officials to be able to work at higher levels and gain that experience and use it to make the games he works for me better and the people he works with better, too.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I have been told by a few different people to stop doing JV games as soon as possible because Varsity coaches will keep seeing me as a JV official.

I give that advice to younger officials who are becoming established as varsity officials and have a "full" varsity schedule. Better to take a night off then to fill up with JV and freshman games (and then have to find subs when you're offered a varsity date in its place).

Originally Posted by Adam

There's a college football conference in my area that has done the same thing. No more Friday football for those guys.

I'd do that for a comma check. Not to keep working the same small college football I'm currently working.

Sounds like a JV coach from his actions? Maybe Middle school!