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bainsey Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:29pm

Coach calls out "JV official" in tourney game, on the record
 
2/15/14, Western Maine Class B Quarterfinal article excerpt:

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Deonte Ring sank two free throws to get the Phoenix within three, 69-66, with 1:56 remaining. He then stole in the backcourt and drove for an apparent hoop, but instead was whistled for an offensive foul, his fifth.

Ring fouled out with a game-high 29 points. While protesting the call, his coach, Chris Bessey, picked up a technical foul. Martin made both ensuing free throws, and Spruce Mountain never again nudged closer than four points.

“That was a bad call. I hope they look at the tape, because that’s what happens when you put JV officials doing tournament games,” Bessey said. “And the technical I thought was a bad call. I didn’t swear. I was in the box. At that point in a tournament game, with that call, you’re an official and you’ve got to understand the situation a little bit better than that.”
Source: Lewiston (Maine) Sun Journal. Link to the article.

For the record, you have to work at least 50 total regular-season varsity games, and 15 that year, to qualify for post-season assignments in Maine.

JRutledge Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:36pm

OK, how is this a JV official then?

Peace

just another ref Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:37pm

If this is what he says when being quoted for the paper, one can only imagine what he might have said to earn the T.

Nice job, JV official!

just another ref Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:39pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 926341)
OK, how is this a JV official then?

I think it was meant as a derogatory term. When asked for a response, the official was heard to say, "Yeah, that's what you get when you put the janitor in the coaching box."

pfan1981 Sun Mar 09, 2014 07:58am

Around these parts, a lot of varsity officials will help out a younger official on JV games. So some fellas working our state tourney worked multiple JV and middle school games.

Adam Sun Mar 09, 2014 08:33am

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Originally Posted by pfan1981 (Post 926352)
Around these parts, a lot of varsity officials will help out a younger official on JV games. So some fellas working our state tourney worked multiple JV and middle school games.

You won't find any official here who doesn't work a few subvarsity games a year. It's required for playoff eligibility.

As for the OP, that's what happens when you put a JV coach in charge of the varsity team.

SAJ Sun Mar 09, 2014 09:25am

"At that point in a tournament game, with that call, you’re a coach and you’ve got to understand the situation a little bit better than that.”

corrected

Moosie74 Sun Mar 09, 2014 09:53pm

Time for the coach to learn some new material. He told me I made great call for a junior high official in our preseason 3-person games this year. Sorry coach, but a two handed shove of a player to the floor is probably even a foul in 2nd grade games.

BryanV21 Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:39pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 926340)
2/15/14, Western Maine Class B Quarterfinal article excerpt:



Source: Lewiston (Maine) Sun Journal. Link to the article.

For the record, you have to work at least 50 total regular-season varsity games, and 15 that year, to qualify for post-season assignments in Maine.

Sorry, coach... a foul is a foul. The rule book doesn't make exceptions for the time, score, or importance of the game.*

*outside of the use of video equipment in state tournament games.

Rich Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:16pm

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Originally Posted by Moosie74 (Post 926409)
Time for the coach to learn some new material. He told me I made great call for a junior high official in our preseason 3-person games this year. Sorry coach, but a two handed shove of a player to the floor is probably even a foul in 2nd grade games.

Sounds like he needs to get whacked more often.

JetMetFan Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:19pm

Hang on...I just searched this guy's name on the web. For the Maine folks - is this Coach Bessey the same guy who is the head coach of the UMF baseball team? Forget the HS AD, if I'm his college boss I sit him down and tell him to keep his mouth shut.


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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 926421)
Sounds like he needs to get whacked more often.

Amen, Brother. Those comments will stop quick.

JRutledge Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:36pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 926343)
I think it was meant as a derogatory term. When asked for a response, the official was heard to say, "Yeah, that's what you get when you put the janitor in the coaching box."

I figured that out, which is why I was making that comment in the first place. So that takes away some credibility of the coach if the officials need to work that many games to even be eligible for the playoffs. He probably saw the official at some JV game and assumed like many of them do that he was not ready or working many varsity games.

Peace

Adam Mon Mar 10, 2014 08:18am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 926424)
I figured that out, which is why I was making that comment in the first place. So that takes away some credibility of the coach if the officials need to work that many games to even be eligible for the playoffs. He probably saw the official at some JV game and assumed like many of them do that he was not ready or working many varsity games.

Peace

I'm not even giving him that much credit. I think he thought he was just being clever and demeaning the refs.

JRutledge Mon Mar 10, 2014 08:23am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 926442)
I'm not even giving him that much credit. I think he thought he was just being clever and demeaning the refs.

I do not disagree. I have just seen a lot of situations over the years where you work a lower level game and then the coach thinks that is where you normally work. Had it happen many times with a varsity official filling in on a no-show or some kind of scheduling mix up, then when you go to the varsity game that night, the coach tries to point out your "level" during that game. And many times the coach did not realize he was dealing with a very experienced official and sometimes the most experienced official that night.

Either way it is a dig and mean to question the ability of the official.

Peace

deecee Mon Mar 10, 2014 08:53am

It's been said already but his behavior, or lack thereof, is a result of him being allowed to act the way he does with little/no repercussions.


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