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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 926280)

I have a charge no matter the level. He is in front of him and takes everything in the chest before the upward motion and before the shooter left his feet.

Oh and this is the C's call. It came from his area of the court to the basket.

Peace

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 926349)

Then we agree. He was still moving sideways into the path after upward motion began (if it had been an NCAA-M game).

I also agree with you that this is the L's call. The C would have had to shift off the double team that the shooter was splitting to pick up the 3rd defender while looking through the shooter and the two defenders that the shooter just split. Could the C get it and get it right? Possibly, even probably if the sight line just happened to open up but he still may not have picked up the 3rd defender early enough to know with certainty whether he was there in time or not.

That defender came from the center of the lane, was still in the lane at contact, and it was the only possible matchup the L could be looking at. The L would have the best knowledge of how the defender got to the spot.

I agree with Jeff that this is a Charge at all levels but I do believe that on this particular play that the L has the best look at the play and that the T and C should not be putting air in their whistles.

MTD, Sr.

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Originally Posted by Jfpdi (Post 926382)

NCAA-W it's the C's call. C is in his home position- foul line extended

"home" position isn't sufficient to officiate this play, he needs to step down with the play. All he did was turn his body at an angle which caused him to be looking straight at A1's back.

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 926379)

Why?

Simple answer is because you need to trust your partner. If I'm the C I will have an opinion but I will know my partner is going to put his whistle on this play.

And when he proves me wrong, I will have a strong cadence whistle.

Repeat over and over and over throughout the game.

I know these guys. Based on the way we pre game and discuss coverage this was the L. C did generally what we do. We do not have problems with a C whistle here because of the collision.

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 926398)

Simple answer is because you need to trust your partner.

Yeah, trust your partner on marginal stuff that he/she may be passing on in their primary. Contact like this does not fall in that category.

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 926398)

If I'm the C I will have an opinion but I will know my partner is going to put his whistle on this play.

And when he proves me wrong, I will have a strong cadence whistle.

Repeat over and over and over throughout the game.

You make it sound like a double whistle is a bad thing, something to be avoided.

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 926415)

Yeah, trust your partner on marginal stuff that he/she may be passing on in their primary. Contact like this does not fall in that category.

You make it sound like a double whistle is a bad thing, something to be avoided.

Many double whistles don't need to happen.

Stay In Your Primary ...

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 926420)

Many double whistles don't need to happen.

Take a lesson from Lake Chaubunagungamaug (Webster, Massachusetts). The Nipmuc Indian name is said to mean, "You fish on your side of the lake; I'll fish on my side".

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 926435)

Take a lesson from Lake Chaubunagungamaug (Webster, Massachusetts). The Nipmuc Indian name is said to mean, "You fish on your side of the lake; I'll fish on my side".

It has nothing to do with fishing in another's pond.

Plenty of fouls happen where I'm the T and my partner, the L, are both near the action. I've seen the foul and could easily call it, but it's one where the L is going to take it to the table 99.99% of the time.

Why even put a whistle on it? Give it a second, be patient, come get it if the L, for whatever reason, doesn't.