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Terrapins Fan Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:27am

Sometimes it's just not fair
 
I am in my 14th year, it's near the end of the season. I am doing a 7th grade girls game. It's very sloppy play.

In the 2nd Q girl launches a 3 and jumps into the defender, no harm, no foul. She misses, I was lead now becoming new trail. As I pass the girls bench the ASSISTANT coach yells at me " WHERE"S THE WHISTLE" , looking ahead, I see the ball go out of bounds and I blow my whistle look at the assistant and said, " HERE'S YOUR WHISTLE" T

Sometimes, it's just too easy. Head coach comes to me and says "don't you have to warn us first?"

I explained nicely, "no, no we don't."

bainsey Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:38am

Some would call this inciting, but I believe others in your association would thank you for saving them hassle of hearing this AC.

I had a similar reply in my rookie year to, "Call the foul!" It was Y-league, so even his teammates were laughing at the kid.

grunewar Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:39am

For whatever reason, I've given out very few T's this season.

One however was in a Men's game. Less than ten secs left, team down by two and they call a TO. As I'm getting ready to report the TO to the table, one of the players comes by me running his YAP about our calls, or no calls! WHACK!

Player/coach comes up to me and states, "You can't call a T now." To which I replied, "I can call a T whenever it's earned."

Yeah, they lost. :rolleyes:

Adam Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan (Post 924788)
I am in my 14th year, it's near the end of the season. I am doing a 7th grade girls game. It's very sloppy play.

In the 2nd Q girl launches a 3 and jumps into the defender, no harm, no foul. She misses, I was lead now becoming new trail. As I pass the girls bench the ASSISTANT coach yells at me " WHERE"S THE WHISTLE" , looking ahead, I see the ball go out of bounds and I blow my whistle look at the assistant and said, " HERE'S YOUR WHISTLE" T

Sometimes, it's just too easy. Head coach comes to me and says "don't you have to warn us first?"

I explained nicely, "no, no we don't."

Sometimes they tee it up and we just can't help ourselves. Don't know that I could have resisted, either, given the timing and level.

The T is a no-brainer, the commentary is what I couldn't have resisted.

BryanV21 Wed Feb 26, 2014 01:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 924792)
For whatever reason, I've given out very few T's this season.

One however was in a Men's game. Less than ten secs left, team down by two and they call a TO. As I'm getting ready to report the TO to the table, one of the players comes by me running his YAP about our calls, or no calls! WHACK!

Player/coach comes up to me and states, "You can't call a T now." To which I replied, "I can call a T whenever it's earned."

Yeah, they lost. :rolleyes:

"There's nothing in the rule book about when I can or can not give a technical foul, coach."

AremRed Wed Feb 26, 2014 01:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 924791)
Some would call this inciting, but I believe others in your association would thank you for saving them hassle of hearing this AC.

If no-calling marginal or incidental contact initiated by the offense is inciting, I guess I've been doing it wrong this whole time!

BigT Wed Feb 26, 2014 01:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 924792)
For whatever reason, I've given out very few T's this season.

One however was in a Men's game. Less than ten secs left, team down by two and they call a TO. As I'm getting ready to report the TO to the table, one of the players comes by me running his YAP about our calls, or no calls! WHACK!

Player/coach comes up to me and states, "You can't call a T now." To which I replied, "I can call a T whenever it's earned."

Yeah, they lost. :rolleyes:

Last night had a mens make up game. Partner (Juco/Varsity) calls a foul on a team down 2 with less than a minute. Opposing team calls a time out. He YAP's at us. Yap's in his TO. Told to stop. Yaps as he comes out of his TO and my partner T's him. Yeah that lost the game for him...

johnny d Wed Feb 26, 2014 02:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 924807)
If no-calling marginal or incidental contact initiated by the offense is inciting, I guess I've been doing it wrong this whole time!


Inciting refers to the "HERES YOUR WHISTLE" statement the official made to the coach in the OP, not the activity of the players.

Terrapins Fan Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:20am

This was a MS level game, I would not say the same thing at the HS level, I doubt that an assistant at the HS level would have spoken to me the way this one did. It's a learning experience.

BTW, I was an assistant coach at the MS for 6 years and at the HS level for 5 years. In MS, I got a ton of T's, in HS, never 1.

AremRed Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 924822)
Inciting refers to the "HERES YOUR WHISTLE" statement the official made to the coach in the OP, not the activity of the players.

Oh I know :)

Inciting (by definition) implies something that came before to cause a reaction. Saying "here's your whistle" came after the assistant yelled at Terrapins Fan. Unprofessional? Probably. Inciting? No.

Nevadaref Thu Feb 27, 2014 07:26am

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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 924805)
"There's nothing in the rule book about when I can or can not give a technical foul, coach."

Actually, there is. Look for jurisdiction of the officials.

bainsey Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan (Post 924860)
This was a MS level game, I would not say the same thing at the HS level, I doubt that an assistant at the HS level would have spoken to me the way this one did. It's a learning experience.

BTW, I was an assistant coach at the MS for 6 years and at the HS level for 5 years. In MS, I got a ton of T's...

Ah! Pay it forward! :D

JRutledge Thu Feb 27, 2014 01:54pm

When JH becomes my focus of my career, I will worry about what I say that incites them. And even JH in most cases has very little accountability to anyone. Honestly that is the best time to be a smart ass when you know you can be. ;)

Peace


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