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HawkeyeCubP Mon Feb 24, 2014 04:15pm

Over the backboard from behind
 
APG (or anyone else) -

Legal per NBA, I'm assuming? I could see why, I suppose, at that level. I can't find anything about the backboard in relation to OB violations at all, though.

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APG Mon Feb 24, 2014 04:18pm

Yes, that's a legal play. For it to be OOB, it has to go directly over the top of the backboard (either way).

HawkeyeCubP Mon Feb 24, 2014 04:23pm

So any non-perpendicular to the backboard angle = legal. Interesting.

(I'm still embededly challenged. And I couldn't find the old sticky instructions. Which I couldn't get to work in the past, anyway. And I tried pasting in the YT embed code directly into the body. Apologies.)

APG Mon Feb 24, 2014 04:25pm

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Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP (Post 924507)
So any non-perpendicular to the backboard angle = legal. Interesting.

(I'm still embededly challenged. And I couldn't find the old sticky instructions. Which I couldn't get to work in the past, anyway. And I tried pasting in the YT embed code directly into the body. Apologies.)

No worries...that's why Brad pays me the (fake) big bucks. :D

bainsey Mon Feb 24, 2014 04:29pm

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 924505)
Yes, that's a legal play. For it to be OOB, it has to go directly over the top of the backboard (either way).

How can it NOT go over the top of the backboard if it actually touched the top of the backboard?

Besides, if this is illegal...

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APG Mon Feb 24, 2014 05:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 924509)
How can it NOT go over the top of the backboard if it actually touched the top of the backboard?

Besides, if this is illegal...

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The ball has to go DIRECTLY behind the backboard...not at an angle.

The play you reference is from the 80's and was illegal at the times. The rule was changed some time ago.

Adam Mon Feb 24, 2014 05:14pm

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 924508)
No worries...that's why Brad pays me the (fake) big bucks. :D

Those checks aren't real? I just thought they were Canadian.

Sharpshooternes Tue Feb 25, 2014 05:38am

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 924514)
The ball has to go DIRECTLY behind the backboard...not at an angle.

The play you reference is from the 80's and was illegal at the times. The rule was changed some time ago.

I am not seeing anywhere where it says it has to come from directly behind the backboard. 7-1-b says "the ball is out of bounds when it passes over a rectangular backboard" that is all it says. The case play is not so clear. 7.1.2 sit A part B says, "the ball strikes the...top edge of the backboard or passes over the (rectangular) backboard and the ball came from a pass or try from the front or back of the plane of the backboard.

Ruling part b: the ball remains live if it touches a side edge or the top edge if it rebounds and comes down in front of the backboard. <-----that sentence seems to contradict the next sentence: the ball becomes dead if it passes over the top of a rectangular backboard regardless of the action which causes it to pass over or whether it comes from the front or the back of the plane.

So to me a live ball in bounds that comes from behind the backboard plane that passes over to the BB to the front is live but: a live ball from behind the BB that touches the top edge and returns to the back side is dead. And a live ball inbounds that passes from the front plane and goes over to the back is dead. So you can actually shoot from directly behind the backboard, throw it over and if it goes in it counts, is that correct. If so this appears to be another rule book/casebook contradiction.

APG Tue Feb 25, 2014 07:07am

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 924563)
I am not seeing anywhere where it says it has to come from directly behind the backboard. 7-1-b says "the ball is out of bounds when it passes over a rectangular backboard" that is all it says. The case play is not so clear. 7.1.2 sit A part B says, "the ball strikes the...top edge of the backboard or passes over the (rectangular) backboard and the ball came from a pass or try from the front or back of the plane of the backboard.

Ruling part b: the ball remains live if it touches a side edge or the top edge if it rebounds and comes down in front of the backboard. <-----that sentence seems to contradict the next sentence: the ball becomes dead if it passes over the top of a rectangular backboard regardless of the action which causes it to pass over or whether it comes from the front or the back of the plane.

So to me a live ball in bounds that comes from behind the backboard plane that passes over to the BB to the front is live but: a live ball from behind the BB that touches the top edge and returns to the back side is dead. And a live ball inbounds that passes from the front plane and goes over to the back is dead. So you can actually shoot from directly behind the backboard, throw it over and if it goes in it counts, is that correct. If so this appears to be another rule book/casebook contradiction.

Everything that has been discussed in this thread so far is for the NBA.


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