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SAJ Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:15am

And technically, she did travel before the shot. Did a "same step" move with the left foot.

HokiePaul Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:27am

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Originally Posted by Da Official (Post 924603)
It seems that everyone (the coach, players, fans, sports fans, other officials) simply wants to know WHAT was the judgment call or ruling by the officials.

I'm a bit surprised it doesn't look like that will be answered.

I guess no one will ever know??? Pretty bizarre in this day and age, right?

:confused:

Not necessarily bizarre for a HS level game I don't think. I believe my association has a policy where officials will not comment on games. And I can see an association taking a position that it will not comment on judgement calls (no foul).

mxd Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:42am

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Originally Posted by SAJ (Post 924596)
Edit to add: Looking back at the original link it appears there is a new video that clearly shows the L quickly raising his arm and then lowering it.

I saw that too. I'm wondering if the Lead called a foul and then second-guessed himself, considering that it was a huge call and he went way out of his primary to get it. Maybe he was going to rule it as an inadvertant whistle, and then the horn sounded and they didn't want to/know to put time back on the clock. So they let the game end on an IW... that would be my guess.

Raymond Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:49pm

What's funnny is White's HC talking to her players like free throws are about to be shot, and the officials just running of court like nothing out of the ordinary happened.

As far as the question about a travel, A1 does travel before releasing the shot, but I see B1 making initial contact to A1's arm prior to the travel.

eyezen Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:59pm

God job boys! Love the no call! Let the player decide the game!

Sincerely:

Jim Boeheim

Da Official Tue Feb 25, 2014 03:15pm

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Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 924612)
Not necessarily bizarre for a HS level game I don't think. I believe my association has a policy where officials will not comment on games. And I can see an association taking a position that it will not comment on judgement calls (no foul).


Hokie...the question is WHAT was this judgement? Someone blew a whistle during regulation....most want to know what did they judge to have occurred. Also, I agree the officials should not comment after the game but someone should clear the air about what occurred.

"What happened?"

"Not telling you. Watch this 40 time." :cool:

JetMetFan Tue Feb 25, 2014 03:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Official (Post 924649)
Hokie...the question is WHAT was this judgement? Someone blew a whistle during regulation....most want to know what did they judge to have occurred. Also, I agree the officials should not comment after the game but someone should clear the air about what occurred.

"What happened?"

"Not telling you. Watch this 40 time." :cool:

Do you live anywhere near all this? I'm from the East but I know TX is a rather large place ;)

HokiePaul Tue Feb 25, 2014 04:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da Official (Post 924649)
Hokie...the question is WHAT was this judgement? Someone blew a whistle during regulation....most want to know what did they judge to have occurred. Also, I agree the officials should not comment after the game but someone should clear the air about what occurred.

"What happened?"

"Not telling you. Watch this 40 time." :cool:

As an official who wants to understand what happened ... yes, I'd love to know. I also wouldn't expect a press release out to the public for something like this. Do we know for sure that the Athletic Department, State Association, Officials representative (assignor/association) haven't addressed this privately?

zm1283 Tue Feb 25, 2014 04:43pm

High School Basketball Playoff Game Ends In Stupid, Ridiculous Way

Here's Deadspin's article. What is the one official doing with the raised open hand as they leave the court?

j51969 Tue Feb 25, 2014 05:03pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 924667)
High School Basketball Playoff Game Ends In Stupid, Ridiculous Way

Here's Deadspin's article. What is the one official doing with the raised open hand as they leave the court?

If I had to guess he was gestering to the table to see if they were good to go (i.e. a scoring issue that could have made a difference in the game).

Da Official Tue Feb 25, 2014 05:05pm

Here's the story picked up by the local news station. So apparently the judgement is the foul or whatever the call occurred after the buzzer so game over. Now that we have an answer I'm done...


Celina fights against UIL's decision in controversial ending | wfaa.com Dallas - Fort Worth

JetMetFan Tue Feb 25, 2014 05:08pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 924667)

Okay, so now we know (from the article embedded in the Deadspin story): UIL says the crew determined time expired before the contact.

That still doesn't clear up anything. Last shot responsibility belonged to C since he was opposite the table, though they may have decided to let T take it since the action was in C's primary. C and L looked genuinely shocked by the whistle - as they should have been since it came before the LEDs on the backboard lit up.

My guess is T wasn't waving off the shot because his partners didn't seem to know what was happening until more than a few seconds after the play was blown dead.

At any rate, that's where the "judgment" part of UIL's statement comes in. Saying time expired wasn't great judgment but it was still judgment.

kwv001 Tue Feb 25, 2014 09:51pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 924600)
Just from this ending I would be curious as to the overall officiating of the game up to that point. This isn't what I would expect from varsity level officials.

More than that. I thought one of the first stories I read, said a trip to the final four was on the line, so this game must have been deep into their state tournament.

JetMetFan Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:57am

I know, I know...I can't let this go.

1. If the explanation was the crew determined time expired before any contact, why not just say that within 24 hours after the game?

2. This is more of a teaching point. If the officials who didn't make the call were aware the LEDs came on after the whistle blew, which appears to be the case, one or both needed to say, "Hang on. Let's talk about this before we leave the court." There's no rush, especially in that situation. If the crew eventually determines the game is over so be it but all three officials need to have a voice at that time before leaving the court.

Johnny Ringo Thu Feb 27, 2014 09:51am

I apologize for starting a new thread. I did not previously see it or recognize it by this title. Thank You!


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