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knockitoff Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:58am

Coach Rips Refs & Assignor
 
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twocentsworth Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:34am

If this were a college game, there would be a fine AND suspension from the conference for that coach....alas, it's HS....nothing of consequence will probably happen...

JRutledge Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:40am

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Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 923739)
If this were a college game, there would be a fine AND suspension from the conference for that coach....alas, it's HS....nothing of consequence will probably happen...

He may not get much consideration in the future for who is assigned his games. You and I know assignors that have no problem sending back the officials the coach does not like. That could happen here and especially when the coach made this public and not a private conversation. ;)

Peace

Camron Rust Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:08pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 923743)
He may not get much consideration in the future for who is assigned his games. You and I know assignors that have no problem sending back the officials the coach does not like. That could happen here and especially when the coach made this public and not a private conversation. ;)

Peace

I know assignors who would send them back very soon in such a case.

rockyroad Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:47pm

Coach is an asshat.

Reporter who put that quote in his article is an asshat.

Editors who let it get published are asshats.

JRutledge Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:55pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 923766)
Coach is an asshat.

Reporter who put that quote in his article is an asshat.

Editors who let it get published are asshats.

Why is that the case for the reporter or the editor? If that is what the coach said that is what the coach said.

I remember some years ago a coach once said that the "IHSA set us up to lose" or something to that fact and said this after a win in the playoffs. Then the coach accused the IHSA of taking officials of a certain race and suggesting that they were bias towards his team that one. And in the game, the coach's team missed like 7 or 8 FTs down the stretch and made a game close. The coach never mentioned that, but the reporter did. And the reporter gave a rather good description of the final minutes and included stats.

If a coach is going to say that, they need to be shown for their comments. Maybe more context should have been shown, but that is their job to state what is said on the record. And the article made it clear he was not just criticizing the officials, but the person that assigned them there. I think that is brilliant on many levels. The coach is the only one to blame in this case.

Peace

zm1283 Thu Feb 20, 2014 01:13pm

What a passive-aggressive little rat. Blames the officials outright, then tries to congratulate the opposing coach on his 600th win and give his team credit. He should be suspended, but probably won't.

His comments should absolutely be in the paper so everyone can see what kind of person he really is.

SCalScoreKeeper Thu Feb 20, 2014 01:32pm

That's embarassing-the coach should be ashamed of making those comments in print.I'm hoping the AD has a conference with the coach about media interviews and to making his/her point suspends him for a game.

rockyroad Thu Feb 20, 2014 01:49pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 923769)
Why is that the case for the reporter or the editor? If that is what the coach said that is what the coach said.

I remember some years ago a coach once said that the "IHSA set us up to lose" or something to that fact and said this after a win in the playoffs. Then the coach accused the IHSA of taking officials of a certain race and suggesting that they were bias towards his team that one. And in the game, the coach's team missed like 7 or 8 FTs down the stretch and made a game close. The coach never mentioned that, but the reporter did. And the reporter gave a rather good description of the final minutes and included stats.

If a coach is going to say that, they need to be shown for their comments. Maybe more context should have been shown, but that is their job to state what is said on the record. And the article made it clear he was not just criticizing the officials, but the person that assigned them there. I think that is brilliant on many levels. The coach is the only one to blame in this case.

Peace

Reporters decide - on a regular basis - what to include and exclude from their articles. This reported did not need to include those comments in an article congratulating a different Coach on his 600th win. The reporter included those comments, imho, in order to create more "buzz" and get more people to read his article. By including those comments, the reporter put stuff out there about those refs and that assignor. That makes the reporter and his editors asshats too.

JRutledge Thu Feb 20, 2014 01:53pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 923788)
Reporters decide - on a regular basis - what to include and exclude from their articles. This reported did not need to include those comments in an article congratulating a different Coach on his 600th win. The reporter included those comments, imho, in order to create more "buzz" and get more people to read his article. By including those comments, the reporter put stuff out there about those refs and that assignor. That makes the reporter and his editors asshats too.

Whatever the reasoning, the coach said it. I do not put that on the reporter. It shows lack of class on the coach that tried to take away from the win of the other team by making it about what he felt about the officiating.

Peace

rockyroad Thu Feb 20, 2014 01:59pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 923791)
Whatever the reasoning, the coach said it. I do not put that on the reporter. It shows lack of class on the coach that tried to take away from the win of the other team by making it about what he felt about the officiating.

Peace

I said the Coach was an asshat for saying it.

The reporter certainly didn't need to put it in the article.

MD Longhorn Thu Feb 20, 2014 03:20pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 923792)
I said the Coach was an asshat for saying it.

The reporter certainly didn't need to put it in the article.

The reporter is responsible for reporting what happened, what was said, etc. Blaming the reporter here is like blaming us when a coach gets a T.

Adam Thu Feb 20, 2014 03:30pm

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 923816)
The reporter is responsible for reporting what happened, what was said, etc. Blaming the reporter here is like blaming us when a coach gets a T.

I'm on the fence on this one. Let's not pretend the reporter is putting everything that happened into the article. He gets to pick and choose, that's his job.

That said, freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. This coach did the association a favor.

rockyroad Thu Feb 20, 2014 03:32pm

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 923816)
The reporter is responsible for reporting what happened, what was said, etc. Blaming the reporter here is like blaming us when a coach gets a T.

Read what I wrote again. Slowly this time.

Never blamed the reporter for anything. Simply said that the reporter was also an asshat for putting those comments in an article about the other coach winning his 600th game.

But don't let what I actually wrote stop you from making those incredibly acrobatic leaps of logic that you seem to enjoy.

Adam Thu Feb 20, 2014 03:35pm

rocky, I have to ask. He's an asshat? But he's not to blame? ;)

JRutledge Thu Feb 20, 2014 03:37pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 923820)
I'm on the fence on this one. Let's not pretend the reporter is putting everything that happened into the article. He gets to pick and choose, that's his job.

That said, freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. This coach did the association a favor.

I do agree they pick and choose what they write. But if the quote was said, I have no problem with him putting in the quote and if that was most of the coach's reaction to the game. He could have mentioned other things in the game, but to me this just showed the character of the coach.

Peace

Adam Thu Feb 20, 2014 03:37pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 923827)
I do agree they pick and choose what they write. But if the quote was said, I have no problem with him putting in the quote and if that was most of the coach's reaction to the game. He could have mentioned other things in the game, but to me this just showed the character of the coach.

Peace

I agree. My headline would have included the words "Sore Loser".

rockyroad Thu Feb 20, 2014 03:46pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 923825)
rocky, I have to ask. He's an asshat? But he's not to blame? ;)

He is not to be blamed for the comments the coach made...which is the big leap of logic MD tried to pin on me.

He did NOT need to include those comments in the article celebrating a big win by a different coach. For including them, he also earns the asshatery award. Maybe the asshat junior award when compared to crybaby coach...but he gets one, too.

Bad Zebra Thu Feb 20, 2014 04:44pm

I disagree with anyone that feels like the reporter should have left out the coach's comments. It's not the job of this reporter (or any for that matter) to filter out ANYTHING that is said by a coach, regardless of how dumb/sore/ignorant it makes him sound. Being such a significant portion of the coach's comments, this reporter would have been remiss in editing it out. A classic case of "don't shoot the messenger".

The reporter wasn't biased or inaccurate. JRut is accurate in that it just shows the character of the coach.

Asshattery Award solely for the coach.

MD Longhorn Thu Feb 20, 2014 04:48pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 923822)
Read what I wrote again. Slowly this time.

Never blamed the reporter for anything. Simply said that the reporter was also an asshat for putting those comments in an article about the other coach winning his 600th game.

But don't let what I actually wrote stop you from making those incredibly acrobatic leaps of logic that you seem to enjoy.

You clearly blamed the reporter for putting it in the article, and said he shouldn't have done so. I disagree. Saying he shouldn't report the fact that the coach said what he said is like someone saying we shouldn't report the technical when the coach earns it.

By the way, this article was not just about fact that it was the 600th win ... there's a separate article just on that, and this reporter puts a link to that article right at the top. THIS article was about the game itself and the comments. Perhaps the title was misleading, but usually the reporter doesn't write the headline - editors do, and they often don't get past the first 3 paragraphs before writing that headline.

BillyMac Thu Feb 20, 2014 04:50pm

Classless ...
 
We had something similar, here in Connecticut, a few years ago.

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MD Longhorn Thu Feb 20, 2014 04:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 923829)
He is not to be blamed for the comments the coach made...which is the big leap of logic MD tried to pin on me.

He did NOT need to include those comments in the article celebrating a big win by a different coach. For including them, he also earns the asshatery award. Maybe the asshat junior award when compared to crybaby coach...but he gets one, too.

You claim I put words in your mouth. You just did the same. I didn't say that you were blaming the comments on the reporter - not even close. You were blaming him for reporting it, and said he shouldn't have done so. THAT is what I "pinned" on you, and disagreed with.

Bad Zebra Thu Feb 20, 2014 04:54pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 923857)
We had something similar a few years ago. An out of area team came into our area, and the out of area coach's post game comments included references to a "home job". The coach was sanctioned by our state high school interscholastic governing body, and the offending coach's school.

As it should be. Knuckleheads like this reflect poorly on the entire school. Any AD or Principal worth a darn would sit on this guy (coach in OP) in a hurry.

From the FHSAA Basketball handbook:

30.4 Public Criticism of Officials. No coach or other representative of the school’s athletic interests may publicly
criticize or berate an official prior to, during or following a contest. Professional ethics require that coaches or other representatives
of the school’s athletic interests use proper channels, as per Bylaw 10.3.2, to report their complaints about officials rather than airing
them publicly. A minimum monetary penalty of $50 shall be assessed a school whose coach or other representative of the school’s
athletic interests are in violation of this provision.

Rich Thu Feb 20, 2014 05:29pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 923828)
I agree. My headline would have included the words "Sore Loser".

If I were the reporter, I wonder if I would've used quotes that sullied / took attention from the other coach's 600th win.

JetMetFan Thu Feb 20, 2014 05:51pm

Here's one from the guy who works in the media...

I'm writing about coach XYZ's 600th victory. I go to the opposing coach for comments about the game. He goes on a rant about the officiating. Do I...ignore them? If that's what he said, that's on him.

If the reporter asked him specifically about the officiating and ignored the 600th win aspect - which could've happened, we don't know - I'd find fault with him since that's probably why he was sent on the assignment to begin with. But if the losing coach is asked about one thing, answers and then rants about the officiating I'm not doing my job if I leave it out.

As other have said, the reporter actually provided a service by getting those comments out there. Now the state can deal with the losing HC if it sees fit.


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