Perplexed Travel
 

The move - player dribbling into paint... picks up (catch) the dribble - jumps between defenders, lands left foot - steps with right foot - makes layup - travel?

When the ball handler picks up their dribble, is he/she in the air and then lands left foot?

IF so, it's legal.

But, if the player was on the ground when s/he "picks up (catch) the dribble", it's a violation.

So, no wonder you're perplexed -- you didn't describe the most important piece of information.

He does say. "Picks up the dribble, then jumps". The way I read it, he is on the floor when the dribble ends.

That's how I visualized it, just double checking. Bob came through with correct answers either way.

I know what the right answer is but riddle me this...is there actually a rule that prevents a player without an established pivot foot from jumping from both feet and landing on one?

There's a case. ;)

Yes. When they jump, one of the two feet is the pivot, take your pick as to which left the floor first (it doesn't really matter which you pick).

Then, having jumped, neither foot can return to the floor without releasing the ball for a shot/pass.

Yes
 

Dribbles - picks it - jumps defenders in paint - left - right - layup

And in all practical purposes, this is how I would rule.

Let's say theoretically though he jumps so that both feet leave the floor simultaneously without any difference between the two. The rules do not discern in this case which foot is the pivot.

If there's no pivot established then Article 3 wouldn't apply. I don't think the rule was meant to be interpreted that way but it's an interesting little hole.

Please be assured I know what the right call is here and I'd make it without hesitation, I'm just having a little fun playing rulebook lawyer.

Bob, do you happen to have which case that is?

Welpe

Don't have my case with me, but I assume it's somewhere in the 4.44 area.

4.44.3B in 2012-13 book

OK that works. I saw that the first time and must have skimmed over it since it was relating to a dribble but I definitely see how it fits.

I'll put my copy of Black's away now.

Thanks!

Sounds like he's trying to describe that "euro step"

And the crowd yells..
 

And the whole crowd and at least one opponent's coach will scream "Up and Down!" Usually the same coach who barks at you for continually missing "Over the Back.":D

Here is how I envision it....

If a players gathers the ball in mid-air and simultaneously jump stops, he can pivot on either foot.

If a players gathers the ball with one foot on the ground (his pivot foot), jumps off of said foot, simultaneously jump stops......the players is frozen in concrete.

right?!?!?!!?

"frozen" is too strong, but otherwise seems correct

Inquiring Minds Want to Know ...
 

Why is "frozen in concrete" too strong of a description?

Bob can answer for himself, so the following is my own understanding:

Having performed a jumpstop as described, the player can lift either foot, or both, but cannot legally return the one or both to the floor, before either shooting, passing, being granted a timeout, or having the period time run out. Thus, "frozen in concrete" seems a bit too restrictive.

True, the player may jump to pass or shoot.

Or he may "step through" as long as he relinquishes control before putting that step foot down. One way to think of it is to consider both feet the pivot with all the restrictions of a pivot foot.

Refsmitty, just stand up and do this play now - what do you think?

Ouch
 

I think I would hurt myself!:eek:

I got a travel with the move I was discussing.

Thanks For The Confirmation ...
 

That's what I thought.

Had a girl gather, jump off her right foot (pivot foot), and then do a obvious non simultaneous jump stop, more like a "one, two". We called it all night and finally the coach wanted an explanation. Gave him one, didn't like it, to which we replied....."Well that's the rule."