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Adam Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:13pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 920973)
Embellishing contact that doesn't put someone at a disadvantage is also "faking being fouled" and it's rarely talked about in that context.

I was thinking the same thing, but I think there's a significant difference. Most players think that being touched = being fouled, but they have to "sell" that foul to get us to call it. IOW, they aren't faking something they think didn't happen, they're trying to show us something that did happen.

Normally, we consider it "faking" when there's no contact at all.

APG Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:09pm

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/LPpNEGZol18" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Welpe Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:15pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 920963)
I think what Rich is saying is that sometimes a player sells it to the point where it becomes questionable about whether there was a foul. In that case, I tend to go with a no-call.

Hmmm after seeing APGs video, I'm almost inclined to go with this ^.

Rich Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:18pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 921044)
Hmmm after seeing APGs video, I'm almost inclined to go with this ^.

Yup.

The L was so wide I don't think he had the best look possible at this.

Rob1968 Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:40pm

APG, thanks for getting the video up. I still can't see anything worthy of a PC foul. Parker's arm found the defender's arm, and then the defender threw his arms up and his head back. To me, it doesn't add up to a PC foul.

Toren Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:40am

Travel :)

Then no call. But I can see why the Lead called the PC...from his angle, looks like offensive player lead with elbow.

just another ref Mon Feb 03, 2014 02:13am

I saw the play earlier and was okay with the call, but watching the whole thing from different angles and with slow motion, a no call would have been okay with me, but then you'd have to call the travel, and I'm the only one that would do that.

Raymond Mon Feb 03, 2014 08:24am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 921055)
I saw the play earlier and was okay with the call, but watching the whole thing from different angles and with slow motion, a no call would have been okay with me, but then you'd have to call the travel, and I'm the only one that would do that.

I would have went with a travel.

Lcubed48 Mon Feb 03, 2014 09:13am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 921070)
I would have went with a travel.

I must agree with BNR & jar.

PS (BNR) - Are you back to work yet? Next visit to the RVA = ??

j51969 Mon Feb 03, 2014 09:44am

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 921050)
Travel :)

This....

Then no call. But I can see why the Lead called the PC...from his angle, looks like offensive player lead with elbow.

The guys doing these games are all excellent officials. Maybe some of the college guys can comment on this better. It seems like officials are choosing to pass on this call more often than them just missing it.

1. Players athletic ability is such that it is hard to be 100% sure it was a travel.

2. Officiating this level of play it is more acceptable to miss a travel, than a foul.

Raymond Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:28am

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Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 921081)
The guys doing these games are all excellent officials. Maybe some of the college guys can comment on this better. It seems like officials are choosing to pass on this call more often than them just missing it.

1. Players athletic ability is such that it is hard to be 100% sure it was a travel.

2. Officiating this level of play it is more acceptable to miss a travel, than a foul.

1. It was a travel, IMO, even before the contact.

2. I would say that is accurate.


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