dead ball technicals
 

A1 gets rebound. B1 and B2 are defending. B1 fouls A1 right as B2 ties up ball. B2 continues and tosses A1 to floor. Team A is in bonus 1 and 1. I call TF on B2. A1 shoots bonus, then TF . We spot ball nearest the foul. Can a dead ball technical also be intentional? Or could have anyone shot TF and ball at division line.

A dead ball foul that involves contact is always an intentionla technical foul or a flagrant technical foul.

All technical fouls can be shot by (almost*) anyone on the team and the ball is (almost**) always onbounded at the division line.

* - any eligible player or sub
** -- unless there's some other act that follows

Ts are always two shots and the ball at the division line (NFHS).

Wow! but this could be a game changing play. A1 hits both of the 1 n 1s and then A_ hits both tech free throws followed by team A throw-in.

Uncalled for contact after the whistle=Technical foul...not our concern as officials, we enforce the rules. It could most def be a game changing play, so hopefully the player who decided to throw a guy to the ground after the fact will learn his lesson and not make another boneheaded decision that could put his team in that situation again.

So?

Good incentive to not be knuckleheads.

I had a varsity game this year with 2 T's in similar situations for players attitude in the last 90 seconds of the game. Each time it was double bonus, T's then the ball. The team that got the T's lost by 3.

Dead ball contact fouls are treated that way as well at the NCAA Men's level.

Peace

Bob,

I am racking my brain, but can't come up with one. What sitch. are you imagining happening that would spot ball elsewhere?

I was really thinking "by the team that shot" when I wrote this -- so there could be another T and B could inbound.

Or, the T could happen at the end of the game and there might not be a throw-in at all.

Roger

It's possible to have a false double foul where the first is the T and the second is a personal foul.

Not in any way likely, but possible.

OK... now I'm racking my brain. After the T, the ball will be dead. Since any contact during a dead ball is ignored or a T, how can there be a T followed by a personal? What am I missing?

A1 closely guarding B1, comments on B1's mom's clothing choices.

The other side of the court an illegal screen is set.

And as the first poster wrote, the ball becomes dead on the infraction for the T, so illegal contact during the screen is ignored by rule and not a foul.

Right, but if these happen at the same time wouldn't that be a false double, or are you saying the T trumps the common foul?

you could have a personal followed by double Ts that would offset and resume POI -- so only the penalty for the personal would be administered. And that wouldn't be a throw-in at the division line (unless that's where the foul was, of course)

A foul during the administration of the FTs for the T?

If that were to happen, somebody (or more than one somebody) is getting tossed. And we'll probably shoot a few more with the lane cleared.

If you wanna see a foul during a FT turn into a disaster look up the end of the Charlotte/Richmond A10 tourney game last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XUl2y43Fkg

Sure, but it would be a personal foul (intentional or flagrant) which is not necessarily resumed with a TI at the division line.

A number of situations could fit, by rule.

1: B1 steals the ball from A1 and streaks down the court for a layup, wide open. A1 screams at you to "call the damned foul!" As per the case play, you hold the whistle on the T until B1's shot is in the air. B1 is fouled on the shot.
(I'll be honest, I'm not sure I'd rule this one that way, but this seems to fit.)

2: A1 begins his shooting motion when B1 runs his mouth at the nearest official. A1 goes airborne, releases his shot, and comes down on B2 who had a) or b) had not established LGP in time. In a, you have a false double foul. A will shoot 2 FTs for the T, and B will get the ball OOB at the spot nearest the PC foul. In b, it's a false multiple foul. A will shoot two FTs for the T, then 1 or 2 FTs for B2's foul with the lane occupied.

3: During the FTs for the technical foul, B1 goes and stands directly behind the shooter, but within his legal area. A2 takes exception and goes up and grabs B1 and pulls him backwards. By rule, this is an intentional (maybe even flagrant) personal foul, and B will get the ball at the spot nearest the foul following B1's FTs.

I'm not suggesting it's something you'd see very often, or that it would be something that should necessarily be called. I was just trying to supply a possible answer for the question. To be honest, I wasn't even sure it was a correct answer, thus the question mark at the end.