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In this case, the defender did not "maintain position", as his movement sideways caused him to be closer to the dribbler than he originally was when he gained LGP. So again... what did the dribbler do wrong? He tried going around the defender after the defender had gained LGP, as the book states he must do. |
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Am I reading your comments correctly? If so, you are really wrong...if not, then your attempts to explain your thinking are not coming through very clearly. |
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I guess I'm wrong. The guy in the video that made the "bad" call could very well have been me. It bothers me that I don't see things like everybody else here, as many of you are well-respected, but I'm not going to lie just to fit in.
With more experience perhaps I'll see this play, and others like it, differently. |
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So what if he is closer to the dribbler than he was when he obtained LGP. The dribbler caused them to be closer by moving forwards. The defender moved lateral/sideways and maintained his LGP, he did not move forward or towards the dribbler. Therefore, the onus is on the offensive player to avoid contact. You are not just in the minority on this point, you are the single official incapable of understanding this concept.
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if the defense is so late to move that even a lateral move causes contact on the offense's side, then it's a block. But even if the move makes the distance shorter, if the defense gets there first, it's a charge. |
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What he did wrong is run over a defender who was in LGP. The book doesn't say he has to try to avoid contact with the defender that has LGP, it says he must avoid contact with the defender that has LGP or he is responsible for the resulting contact. Next you will tell us a foul should not be called on a defensive player that hits a shooter on the arm if said defender was trying to avoid hitting the offensive player on the arm. Last edited by johnny d; Thu Jan 30, 2014 at 02:45pm. |
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It's one thing to disagree on judgment. It's quite another to tell a bunch of veteran officials that they don't know what the definition of maintaining a LGP is. If you want to be Don Quixote', fine. But Don Quixotes don't fare very well in camps or with supervisors.
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I believe one of our esteemed moderators has an avatar for that.
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I don't pay all that much attention to the avatars or the quotes and titles people use here other than what they say in their actual posts.
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Tilting with windmills. Definitely charging . . . er player control.
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Here is a way you can think about this to perhaps more clearly picture what lateral movement really is.... Put an imaginary wall directly between the defender and the dribbler based on their positions....not the direction the dribbler is moving and without regard to the direction either player is facing. That wall is constantly shifting as the player's move. As long as the defender is not moving into/through that wall at the time of contact, they are moving laterally or obliquely away and can't commit a block (assuming they had obtained LGP). If the dribbler is quick enough to get to the side of the defender, the wall will be to the defender's side and a sideways movement by the defender relative to the former positions would now be into that wall and into the dribbler....thus a block. If the defender moves quick enough such that the dribbler is the one coming through the wall, then it is a PC.
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