Iowa State/Kansas (Clip Added)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Possibly the first Don Quixote reference on this forum. Nice

I believe one of our esteemed moderators has an avatar for that.

[BryanV21]

I guess I'm wrong. The guy in the video that made the "bad" call could very well have been me. It bothers me that I don't see things like everybody else here, as many of you are well-respected, but I'm not going to lie just to fit in.

With more experience perhaps I'll see this play, and others like it, differently.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I guess I'm wrong. The guy in the video that made the "bad" call could very well have been me. It bothers me that I don't see things like everybody else here, as many of you are well-respected, but I'm not going to lie just to fit in.

With more experience perhaps I'll see this play, and others like it, differently.

Everyone gets calls wrong on the court, even the big dawgs. But I can pretty much gaurantee you that when Higgins watches the video of this game, he will mark himself down for this play.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

From the video angle, I agree. This seems like it should be the easiest PC call of the day.

Agreed

[BryanV21]

Ugh!

I was just about to step into the shower to get ready for a JV boys game, when it dawned on me what I was getting wrong in my interpretation.

The sideways movement by the defender didn't directly cause the contact. Sure, his sideways movement caused him to be closer to the dribbler than when he initially gained LGP, but getting closer to the dribbler is not grounds for being penalized. Causing contact is grounds for being penalized. The defender didn't do that.

The dribbler still has to avoid contact after the sideways movement... and he didn't. Thus a PC foul.

Sorry to cause you all headaches.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Possibly the first Don Quixote reference on this forum. Nice

Tilting with windmills. Definitely charging . . . er player control.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

By the way, and this isn't for JRut... let's cut the hyperbole about this and other calls here being the "easiest call in the World" (or something like that). If they were that easy they wouldn't be posted here for discussion in the first place. I actually find comments like that to be insulting.

When I said that, I prefaced it with "From the angle in the video". In real time, I don't think that is necessarily an easy call. I can see plenty of good officials calling a block there. But I think when watching the video, most of those officials would wish they had gone PC.

Does anyone else think that the C could have been late picking up the defender? The drive starts in T's area.....and ends in T's area. Why doesn't T have a whistle??

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

When I said that, I prefaced it with "From the angle in the video". In real time, I don't think that is necessarily an easy call. I can see plenty of good officials calling a block there. But I think when watching the video, most of those officials would wish they had gone PC.

Some of us around here are not as experienced, and therefore do not find these calls (even when slowed down on video) to be so easy. I just ask that you and others avoid making those that have questions feel stupid for not believing things to be as simple.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

When I said that, I prefaced it with "From the angle in the video". In real time, I don't think that is necessarily an easy call. I can see plenty of good officials calling a block there. But I think when watching the video, most of those officials would wish they had gone PC.

An evaluator, sitting in the stands, will often have a view similar to that of the camera. What we see from that view, and then, with the advantage of re-play, slo-mo, stop-frame, our perception can be very different from that of the calling official. Not only this thread, but several current and recent threads demonstrate the inequities involved.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Does anyone else think that the C could have been late picking up the defender? The drive starts in T's area.....and ends in T's area. Why doesn't T have a whistle??

That was my thought - sort of - at first also...looks more like he is late picking up the defender. He seems to be watching the ball handler the entire time, and only sees the defender right before the contact.

And to BryanV21...that's what makes this forum so good. We are all wrong at one time or another on here...even the ones who are the biggest jerks to people who question them or disagree with them. Ignore them...find a handful of posters whose opinions and delivery you can respect and bounce your thoughts off of those people.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Does anyone else think that the C could have been late picking up the defender? The drive starts in T's area.....and ends in T's area. Why doesn't T have a whistle??

Maybe he trusted the T. Maybe he was processing the situation and the C beat him to it. Who really knows unless you talk to the officials why they did or did not do something. All we are going to do is speculate and that could be totally wrong based on the officials in the video.

Peace

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Because they go into great detail on what legal guarding is, but say little to nothing in regards to legally trying to avoid a charging call. It's like once a defender has LGP, they can do no wrong, and therefore any contact is the fault of the offense.

You cannot "legally" avoid a charging call. It either is a PC or it isn't. The defender either HAD and maintained LGP or he didn't. The rules states what it takes for all these to apply.

The defender established LGP and maintained it when the contact occurred.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Does anyone else think that the C could have been late picking up the defender? The drive starts in T's area.....and ends in T's area. Why doesn't T have a whistle??

That crash is right in front of the C, I would take that call also if I were the C.

[zm1283]

Tally another vote for PC. I like watching Higgins probably more than any other NCAA official, but he missed this one. It happens.