Iowa State/Kansas (Clip Added)

[Indianaref]

Can anyone post a block call made by John Higgins at approx. 7:43 left in the second half. I only saw it once and thought it should go the other way. Appreciate it.

[Rich]

I checked the Twitter feed @JohnHigginsHair and didn't see the play mentioned.

[APG]

[BryanV21]

The defender had LGP at first. However, once the dribbler tried going around him the defender slid sideways and towards the dribbler, instead of sliding sideways and lateral with the dribbler.

I could see a charging call if the dribbler did something to initiate contact, such as putting a shoulder down or leaning into the defender. Or even if he didn't try to go around the defender at all. But neither thing happened.

The dribbler clearly tried to go around the defender, and the defender did not legally move into his path... initiating contact.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The defender had LGP at first. However, once the dribbler tried going around him the defender slid sideways and towards the dribbler, instead of sliding sideways and lateral with the dribbler.

I could see a charging call if the dribbler did something to initiate contact, such as putting a shoulder down or leaning into the defender. Or even if he didn't try to go around the defender at all. But neither thing happened.

The dribbler clearly tried to go around the defender, and the defender did not legally move into his path... initiating contact.

He is backing up, how is that going forward?

This should have been a PC foul at the very least.

Peace

[JugglingReferee]

I've got a PC due to B having LGP and his movement to the side was legal.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The dribbler clearly tried to go around the defender, and the defender did not legally move into his path... initiating contact.

The defender was never out of the dribbler's path. That is a PC.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He is backing up, how is that going forward?

This should have been a PC foul at the very least.

Peace

He certainly didn't move laterally with the dribbler. The defender was set around the middle of the foul line, the dribbler then tried going around him at the elbow, and the defender slid over into the path.

There was a time when too many blocks were called, making things unfair for the defense. I'm now seeing too many charges called, making things unfair for the offense. The dribbler is not trying to "run over" the defense on the way to the basket, he's simply trying to get around the defender.

I've been asked, and I've seen it asked of others... what did the dribbler do wrong?

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I've been asked, and I've seen it asked of others... what did the dribbler do wrong?

Caused contact to the body of a defender who had and was maintaining Legal Guarding Position

[BryanV21]

I understand I'm in the minority, but this is how I see it...

The player moving with the ball (the dribbler) changed direction to avoid contact once the defender gained LGP in the middle of the free throw line. Then, after the dribbler started to go around the defender (at the elbow), the defender's movement was not "lateral" or "oblique". Instead, the movement was directly sideways into the path already started into by the dribbler.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

He certainly didn't move laterally with the dribbler. The defender was set around the middle of the foul line, the dribbler then tried going around him at the elbow, and the defender slid over into the path.

There was a time when too many blocks were called, making things unfair for the defense. I'm now seeing too many charges called, making things unfair for the offense. The dribbler is not trying to "run over" the defense on the way to the basket, he's simply trying to get around the defender.

I've been asked, and I've seen it asked of others... what did the dribbler do wrong?

The defender has the right to move into his path when he has gained LGP. He cannot come forward towards the ball handler.

You really need to get back in that book if what you said was illegal on the behalf of the defender. Sorry, you really need to get into that book and read the definitions just using your own words.

The defender did nothing wrong based on the replay.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I understand I'm in the minority, but this is how I see it...

The player moving with the ball (the dribbler) changed direction to avoid contact once the defender gained LGP in the middle of the free throw line. Then, after the dribbler started to go around the defender (at the elbow), the defender's movement was not "lateral" or "oblique". Instead, the movement was directly sideways into the path already started into by the dribbler.

I think you misunderstand how the concept of obliquely / laterally / forward are applied here.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I understand I'm in the minority, but this is how I see it...

The player moving with the ball (the dribbler) changed direction to avoid contact once the defender gained LGP in the middle of the free throw line. Then, after the dribbler started to go around the defender (at the elbow), the defender's movement was not "lateral" or "oblique". Instead, the movement was directly sideways into the path already started into by the dribbler.

What you described is the definition of lateral.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The defender has the right to move into his path when he has gained LGP. He cannot come forward towards the ball handler.

You really need to get back in that book if what you said was illegal on the behalf of the defender. Sorry, you really need to get into that book and read the definitions just using your own words.

The defender did nothing wrong based on the replay.

Peace

I laid out my reasons in my last post. Like I said, I understand that I'm in the minority, and may very-well be wrong. But I just don't see it.

Is it me, or is the rule book skewed towards defense? It's like the NFHS is trying to make up for the fact that for years good defense was penalized by officials.

By the way, and this isn't for JRut... let's cut the hyperbole about this and other calls here being the "easiest call in the World" (or something like that). If they were that easy they wouldn't be posted here for discussion in the first place. I actually find comments like that to be insulting.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He is backing up, how is that going forward?

This should have been a PC foul at the very least.

Peace

Exactly, he retreated while moving sideways. Easy PC IMO.