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MD Longhorn Thu Jan 23, 2014 05:42pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 919786)
In my high school game, intentional (hard) foul.

It's convenient that both the lead, and the center, had to same call. I would hate to think what would happen if they had different calls, with one being the old "heave ho" unofficial signal. As you are all aware, in the Land That Time Forgot, also known as Connecticut, almost all of our games are two person games, so whose call is this?
Good question ... but in my opinion if both call this, and one gives the ejection signal, you eject - if EITHER official sees enough to make that call, go with it.

BillyMac Thu Jan 23, 2014 06:20pm
Been There, Done That ...
 
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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 919793)
Good question ... but in my opinion if both call this, and one gives the ejection signal, you eject - if EITHER official sees enough to make that call, go with it.
Seems fine, but let's say the center goes with an ordinary in the act of shooting foul, and give a holding preliminary signal, while the lead gives the intentional (hard) foul preliminary signal?

Let's just say that I'm not a big fan of preliminary signals on double whistles, while still realizing that sometimes one official doesn't hear the other's whistle, doesn't realize it's a double whistle, and gives a strong "sell it" preliminary signal. I hate it when that happens. Luckily, the few times that I've been involved in such a situation, my partner, and I, have both had the same signal, there but for the grace of God ...

maroonx Thu Jan 23, 2014 07:09pm
Does #34 dark jersey have tights on?

Toren Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:44pm
I'd like to see the lead close into the players once the illegal hit is delivered. Just being more of a presence on the play.

I'm seeing flagrant/flagrant 2.

just another ref Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:19am
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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 919793)
Good question ... but in my opinion if both call this, and one gives the ejection signal, you eject - if EITHER official sees enough to make that call, go with it.

Why? One is no more likely to be correct than the other.

JugglingReferee Fri Jan 24, 2014 12:29am
Minimum of INT in Fed and UNS in FIBA - clear path rule. Quite likely upgraded to a DQ.

And if I'm the new L on this play, I want to know why the new T has a call on a breakaway that is my primary.

JetMetFan Fri Jan 24, 2014 02:02am
Intentional and if I'm the calling official - the L - I immediately go over to the T and ask him his thoughts on giving B1 a flagrant. The fact I'm asking means I'm leaning towards a flagrant.

AremRed Fri Jan 24, 2014 02:07am
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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 919733)
C
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 919786)
center
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 919828)
C
C??

Edit: Damn JetMet and his edit! :P

JetMetFan Fri Jan 24, 2014 03:19am
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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 919829)
C??

Edit: Damn JetMet and his edit! :P
:p

BillyMac Fri Jan 24, 2014 07:09am
Player's Answer ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonx (Post 919796)
Does #34 dark jersey have tights on?
... "Long socks."

Do you want to pat him down to check?

bob jenkins Fri Jan 24, 2014 08:50am
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 919821)
Minimum of INT in Fed and UNS in FIBA - clear path rule. Quite likely upgraded to a DQ.

And if I'm the new L on this play, I want to know why the new T has a call on a breakaway that is my primary.
Did he have a call, or was it a supporting whistle?

j51969 Fri Jan 24, 2014 09:50am
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 919834)
Did he have a call, or was it a supporting whistle?
Agreed.

0.11 sec lead has foul, and the trail isn't in frame
0.12 sec lead is starting the preliminary signal for Int F
0.13 sec T has made it in frame to table side/3pt line, and is mirroring the preliminary signal for Int F. T freezes and observes players. L comes in and is observing players in lane.

We can debate whether it was int or flag all day, but I think they handled the situation appropriately. I don't have an issue with the double whistle, or the T coming in and mirroring the L call. Unless the T was doing something out of frame we are not privy to this is a good crew call.


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