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BillyMac Sat Jan 18, 2014 08:49am

With Apologies To Freddy ...
 
Don't be a plumber.

just another ref Sat Jan 18, 2014 06:33pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 918941)
That said, is there a proscribed penalty to returning to the gym during the jurisdiction of the officials? Anyone know of somewhere in the books where it specifically says this is a technical foul? Could it just be a removal by game admin and a report to the governing authority?

Ejected adult bench personnel shall leave the vicinity (out of sight and sound) of the playing area immediately and are prohibited from further contact (direct or indirect) with the team during the remainder of the game. Failure to comply with the rules of ejection may result in the game being forfeited.

Coach has been ejected. Didn't really do anything else offensive, other that come back inside. The argument could be made that the two options were forfeit or nothing.

OKREF Sat Jan 18, 2014 07:48pm

The game isn't over until the officials leave the visual confines of the court. I think in this case I wouldn't be looking for it, and even if I saw her I think I am getting off the floor as quickly as possible. I certainly don't think I'm going into the celebration and picking her out.

Indianaref Sat Jan 18, 2014 08:42pm

I would not be walking out, I'd be running out, not even looking back. Almost sounds as if the official salivated over giving the coach one more tech.

Terrapins Fan Sat Jan 18, 2014 09:41pm

We need a "LIKE" button, so many of you guys are right, don't look for trouble. Can you give a coach a 3rd T?

bob jenkins Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:42pm

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Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan (Post 919016)
Can you give a coach a 3rd T?

Yes.

JRutledge Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:54pm

I am probably gone too. Game over I am in the locker room.

In our state we have Special Reports we have to file every time there is an ejection that we are involved in directly. That is the only thing I might be doing is putting this in the report. I just seriously doubt I would even know the coach was there.

Peace

just another ref Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:20pm

For the record: Guys can say "I wouldn't have seen the coach" if they want, but that was not the point of the discussion. They did see her. That is a given, and it wasn't because they lingered after the game. My question was what if you did see her. Imagine that you literally bumped into her on your way out and her way in if you must, but she was there and very much visible so that is where the discussion begins.

Another twist. Around here, game assignment are near %100 girl/boy doubleheaders. It is not unheard of for the officials to not leave the gym at all between games.

JRutledge Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:24pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 919028)
For the record: Guys can say "I wouldn't have seen the coach" if they want, but that was not the point of the discussion. They did see her. That is a given, and it wasn't because they lingered after the game. My question was what if you did see her. Imagine that you literally bumped into her on your way out and her way in if you must, but she was there and very much visible so that is where the discussion begins.

Another twist. Around here, game assignment are near %100 girl/boy doubleheaders. It is not unheard of for the officials to not leave the gym at all between games.

Even if they did, so. Why would you want to even go there? Why would you even want to trouble, trouble? I see a lot of things I do not penalize immeditely. It is not hard to do.

And one more reasons I am glad I live in a state that has common sense. ;)

Peace

APG Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 919028)
For the record: Guys can say "I wouldn't have seen the coach" if they want, but that was not the point of the discussion. They did see her. That is a given, and it wasn't because they lingered after the game. My question was what if you did see her. Imagine that you literally bumped into her on your way out and her way in if you must, but she was there and very much visible so that is where the discussion begins.

Another twist. Around here, game assignment are near %100 girl/boy doubleheaders. It is not unheard of for the officials to not leave the gym at all between games.

The coach would freakin' moonwalk in front of me for all I care...short of the coach actually doing something unsporting, I'm not giving a T for what you presented in your original post.

SCalScoreKeeper Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:36pm

This is a state association issue-here if a coach is ejected they are to immediately leave the gym and not allowed to have contact with their team until they leave said gym.Said coach is also barred from coaching for 1 game.

Common Question-Does this rule apply to a varsity head coach who gets ejected while sitting on the JV bench and serving as an assistant? Yes-the varsity head coach must serve his JV suspension before he can coach varsity again.Penalty is immediate forfeiture of the contest for not leaving the gym or being in attendance while suspended from coaching.

asdf Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:43pm

We get a bad rap enough as it its without going out and earning said bad rap.

just another ref Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:02am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 919030)
Even if they did, so. Why would you want to even go there? Why would you even want to trouble, trouble?

I wouldn't, but they did, and it was very interesting to watch.

JRutledge Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:19am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 919039)
I wouldn't, but they did, and it was very interesting to watch.

OK, they did. So what.

And my state does not make a habit of playing this silly double headers and expecting the officials to do both. There are enough officials around to do two games at a site. And it is hard IMO to dedicate your full energy when you have to split up games (and genders) in the same night for the same officials. That to me contributed to this issue you are talking about IMO.

Peace

just another ref Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:27am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 919041)

And my state does not make a habit of playing this silly double headers and expecting the officials to do both. There are enough officials around to do two games at a site. And it is hard IMO to dedicate your full energy when you have to split up games (and genders) in the same night for the same officials. That to me contributed to this issue you are talking about IMO.

Peace

How?


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