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wanja Wed Jan 15, 2014 08:44pm

throw in violation?
 
College game. Team B scores. A2 steps out of bounds along endline followed by A1 stepping out of bounds with ball along endline, A1 passes ball to A2 while both remain out of bounds. Partner later comments that a throw-in violation had occurred since both players were out of bounds before the throw-in started and during the throw-in.

Both NCAA men (7-4-6b) and NFHS (7-5-7) rules allow the privilege of passing to a teammate out of bounds after a score. I can find no rule or case citation that indicates that the privilege is not granted if both players are out of bounds before the start of the throw in and during the throw-in.

Any clarifications or citations?

APG Wed Jan 15, 2014 08:55pm

That is not a violation under NFHS, NCAA or NBA rule sets.

NFHS

9-2
ART. 11

No teammate of the thrower shall be out of bounds after a designated-spot throw-in begins.

PENALTY: (Section 2) The ball becomes dead when the violation or technical foul occurs. Following a violation, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in at the original throw-in spot.

NCAA
9-5
Art. 2. No player other than the thrower-in shall:
a. Perform the throw-in or be out of bounds after a designated-spot throw-in begins.

Nevadaref Thu Jan 16, 2014 04:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by wanja (Post 918540)
College game. Team B scores. A2 steps out of bounds along endline followed by A1 stepping out of bounds with ball along endline, A1 passes ball to A2 while both remain out of bounds. Partner later comments that a throw-in violation had occurred since both players were out of bounds before the throw-in started and during the throw-in.

Both NCAA men (7-4-6b) and NFHS (7-5-7) rules allow the privilege of passing to a teammate out of bounds after a score. I can find no rule or case citation that indicates that the privilege is not granted if both players are out of bounds before the start of the throw in and during the throw-in.

Any clarifications or citations?

The clarification is that your partner is incorrect.

bob jenkins Thu Jan 16, 2014 09:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 918576)
The clarification is that your partner is incorrect.

Surprised that a college official would miss this.

Raymond Thu Jan 16, 2014 09:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 918598)
Surprised that a college official would miss this.

Some college officials don't find the rule book of much use after they have "made it".

tophat67 Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 918541)
That is not a violation under NFHS, NCAA or NBA rule sets.

NFHS

9-2
ART. 11

No teammate of the thrower shall be out of bounds after a designated-spot throw-in begins.

PENALTY: (Section 2) The ball becomes dead when the violation or technical foul occurs. Following a violation, the ball is awarded to the opponents for a throw-in at the original throw-in spot.

NCAA
9-5
Art. 2. No player other than the thrower-in shall:
a. Perform the throw-in or be out of bounds after a designated-spot throw-in begins.

So what do you have if once player A1 throws the ball to A2 who is also out of bounds, but A1 stays out of bounds and does not come back in bounds?

CountTheBasket Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophat67 (Post 918628)
So what do you have if once player A1 throws the ball to A2 who is also out of bounds, but A1 stays out of bounds and does not come back in bounds?

If A1 is able to throw the ball to A2 out of bounds it is not a spot throw in.

bob jenkins Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophat67 (Post 918628)
So what do you have if once player A1 throws the ball to A2 who is also out of bounds, but A1 stays out of bounds and does not come back in bounds?

A continuation of the 5-second count.

MD Longhorn Thu Jan 16, 2014 01:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophat67 (Post 918628)
So what do you have if once player A1 throws the ball to A2 who is also out of bounds, but A1 stays out of bounds and does not come back in bounds?

Nothing.


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