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deecee Sun Jan 12, 2014 02:48pm

I didn't know continuation had anything to do with anyone other than the person who was the one taking the shot. Who cares if its the coach, mascot, cheerleader, fans, or batman.

BillyMac Sun Jan 12, 2014 02:56pm

Another Scientist ???
 
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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 917875)
Billy, precision is overrated. You can repeat the same thing over and over again and still be wrong. Maybe your equipment isn't calibrated correctly. Your measurements can still be precise and at the same time be nowhere near accurate.

Which is why I have to be both precise, and accurate, or I lose my day job.

Although not as precise, and accurate, as some may think. One of my biggest surprises moving from academia to the real world was that in the real world of environmental (production, not research) analytical chemistry, I am considered to have replicated an analysis of a sample if I come within twenty percent, plus, or minus (a total range of forty percent), of the replicate (duplicate) sample. That's like saying that eighty dollars is the same as one hundred and twenty dollars. I tried that out at my local supermarket the other day. As you would expect, that didn't go over very well there.

Think about that the next time you take a sip of tapwater. Plus, or minus, twenty percent.

BillyMac Sun Jan 12, 2014 03:02pm

Carpe Diem ...
 
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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 917877)
I didn't know continuation had anything to do with anyone other than the person who was the one taking the shot ...

Well, for starters, it does. If the shooter's teammate fouls (team control foul), continuation doesn't apply (ball not released, no basket if it goes in, even while in the act), but if an opponent of the shooter fouls, then continuation does apply (ball not released, but while in the act, count the basket if it goes in). In most cases (not a player control foul), count the basket if the ball is released, and goes in, no matter who fouls.

Damn, I love these teachable moments. Who wants to clap the erasers? How about playing some kickball at recess today?

Note: If anyone would like expound upon this, or clarify this post, please feel free to do so. Especially if I'm wrong, but even if I'm right. Go ahead and knock yourself out.

Sharpshooternes Sun Jan 12, 2014 05:41pm

Thanks Billy,
I am an official and hadn't made the connection about continuation after a foul by a non player. Thanks a lot.

Terrapins Fan Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:08pm

I need to learn to be more patient in these situations. I know that.

Thanks for all the feed back.

So, I am about 30 games into the season, ( I did 10 games in 4 days this week) and only 1 "T". BTW, I the coach won that game by 1 point, the "T" cost him 4 points ( could have been 6 )

I did his game this Saturday and he won again by 1 point.

BillyMac Mon Jan 13, 2014 05:16pm

Polite In Connecticut ...
 
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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 917922)
Thanks Billy, I am an official and hadn't made the connection about continuation after a foul by a non player. Thanks a lot.

Be sure to thank BktBallRef. It was his post that confirmed my initial interpretation.

MD Longhorn Mon Jan 13, 2014 05:33pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 917857)
Really? I'm beneath you, eh?

You know what, I'm not wasting anymore time with this. You're the reason I rarely post here anymore. Thanks for reminding me of that.

Somehow we've gotten to the point that if someone disagrees with you, you go off on them... and if they agree with you, you also go off on them.

I guess when BBR speaks, we should all just stop discussing, for fear of offending him.

MD Longhorn Mon Jan 13, 2014 05:34pm

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Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan (Post 917992)
I need to learn to be more patient in these situations. I know that.

Thanks for all the feed back.

So, I am about 30 games into the season, ( I did 10 games in 4 days this week) and only 1 "T". BTW, I the coach won that game by 1 point, the "T" cost him 4 points ( could have been 6 )

I did his game this Saturday and he won again by 1 point.

I suspect (although who knows... maybe you've got the nicest coaches in the country) that if you only have 1 T in 30 games, you are likely letting too much go.

Rich1 Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:24pm

1 tech in 30 games may not be a bad thing. As you think back on those thirty games did you have partners issue techs or are there instances that you wish now you had handled with one. If so, then use it as a learning expeience. If not, then perhaps you have done well. Self reflection on your performance (maybe even make some notes) is a great way to get better.

To give some perspective, I have worked 73 games thus far this season and have only issued 9 techs. I am usually quicker to issue stern warnings than most my co-officials but seldom have to go to the T after I do. The coaches know I mean business.


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