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referee20 Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:23pm

Tech foul at the end of a quarter
 
At the end of the quarter just after the horn blows we have a Technical foul. After the foul shots are completed and we're ready to start the next quarter do we go with the arrow? Or start the quarter with the team that shot the tech foul?

deecee Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:41pm

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Originally Posted by referee20 (Post 917571)
At the end of the quarter just after the horn blows we have a Technical foul. After the foul shots are completed and we're ready to start the next quarter do we go with the arrow? Or start the quarter with the team that shot the tech foul?

When does the quarter end? When is the tech called? If you look up the definition of when the quarter ends you will know which quarter the T's count towards.

Adam Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:15pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 917572)
When does the quarter end? When is the tech called? If you look up the definition of when the quarter ends you will know which quarter the T's count towards.

As well as when to shoot the technical foul free throws (before or after the intermission).

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bob jenkins Fri Jan 10, 2014 09:07am

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 917572)
When does the quarter end? When is the tech called? If you look up the definition of when the quarter ends you will know which quarter the T's count towards.

As well as when a quarter starts and whether the horn ends the quarter (which I realize is just a subset of when the quarter ends)

HokiePaul Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:12am

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Originally Posted by referee20 (Post 917571)
At the end of the quarter just after the horn blows we have a Technical foul. After the foul shots are completed and we're ready to start the next quarter do we go with the arrow? Or start the quarter with the team that shot the tech foul?

If the horn ended the quarter (which it sounds like it did in this case), then the penalty (2 shots and the ball to opponent) should have been administered at the start of next quarter and there is no change to the arrow.

RulesGeek Fri Jan 10, 2014 05:04pm

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Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 917637)
If the horn ended the quarter (which it sounds like it did in this case), then the penalty (2 shots and the ball to opponent) should have been administered at the start of next quarter and there is no change to the arrow.

Correct.... but now let's assume that the 2 shots were awarded in the just-concluded quarter. Even if this were an error, the administration of the technical ends with the shots, since there is no time on the clock for the non-offending team to inbound. Thus the next quarter begins with the arrow.

bob jenkins Fri Jan 10, 2014 05:06pm

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Originally Posted by RulesGeek (Post 917706)
Correct.... but now let's assume that the 2 shots were awarded in the just-concluded quarter. Even if this were an error, the administration of the technical ends with the shots, since there is no time on the clock for the non-offending team to inbound. Thus the next quarter begins with the arrow.

If it was in error, and the error was discovered before the throw-in at the start of the next quarter, then fix it (that is, administer the throw-in for the T, even if the FTs were shot "too early.")

BryanV21 Fri Jan 10, 2014 06:27pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 917707)
If it was in error, and the error was discovered before the throw-in at the start of the next quarter, then fix it (that is, administer the throw-in for the T, even if the FTs were shot "too early.")

Is this a correctable error? I mean, the book doesn't say anything about awarding a merited free throw at the wrong time.

This sounds like an error that can't be corrected, and therefore you'd have to go by what RulesGeek said. The technical foul penalties (free throws and possession) are over with, as they were part of the previous quarter. The next quarter will start normally, with an alternating possession throw-in.

just another ref Fri Jan 10, 2014 06:41pm

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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 917714)

This sounds like an error that can't be corrected, and therefore you'd have to go by what RulesGeek said. The technical foul penalties (free throws and possession) are over with, as they were part of the previous quarter. The next quarter will start normally, with an alternating possession throw-in.

This wouldn't be correcting an error. The free throws were improperly awarded. That part is over. Move on to the rest of the penalty which is a throw-in at the division line to start play in the quarter.

BryanV21 Fri Jan 10, 2014 06:45pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 917715)
This wouldn't be correcting an error. The free throws were improperly awarded. That part is over. Move on to the rest of the penalty which is a throw-in at the division line to start play in the quarter.

I wasn't sure you could award both parts of the technical foul penalty separately like that.

thanks

deecee Fri Jan 10, 2014 07:12pm

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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 917716)
I wasn't sure you could award both parts of the technical foul penalty separately like that.

thanks

2 wrongs wont make a right. I agree with JAR.

BryanV21 Fri Jan 10, 2014 07:14pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 917717)
2 wrongs wont make a right. I agree with JAR.

I'm trying to avoid the second "wrong".

just another ref Fri Jan 10, 2014 09:19pm

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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 917718)
I'm trying to avoid the second "wrong".


The wrong has already happened. Starting the quarter with possession by the offended team is "right".

bob jenkins Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:25pm

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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 917714)
Is this a correctable error? I mean, the book doesn't say anything about awarding a merited free throw at the wrong time.

This sounds like an error that can't be corrected, and therefore you'd have to go by what RulesGeek said. The technical foul penalties (free throws and possession) are over with, as they were part of the previous quarter. The next quarter will start normally, with an alternating possession throw-in.

It's an error, and it's correctable, but it's not a Correctable Error.

THere's some case play where both teams are to shoot FTs, but they are shot in the wrong order. As long as the FTs are shot, it's fine.

A CE is for failing to shoot FTs, or shooting unmerited FTs, etc. None of that happened.

BillyMac Sat Jan 11, 2014 06:38am

I Think, Therefore I Am (René Descartes) ...
 
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 917735)
It's an error, and it's correctable, but it's not a Correctable Error.

A nonofficial would think that this statement (above) was "nuts".


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