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Raymond Mon Jan 06, 2014 06:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 917074)
Got this too and I can't figure out what exactly they are talking about. Can't visualize the play they are talking about.

I live in Virginia also, but fortunately I have not received such a ridiculous email. What are the origins?

deecee Mon Jan 06, 2014 06:29pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 917098)
Ask'em what's illegal about the act.

i already sent my email to my interpreter with the case play as well as the wording about how a dribble is defined.

Will let you know when I hear back.

Adam Mon Jan 06, 2014 07:12pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 917111)
I live in Virginia also, but fortunately I have not received such a ridiculous email. What are the origins?

Came from IAABO directly. Check your SPAM.

HokiePaul Mon Jan 06, 2014 08:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 917111)
I live in Virginia also, but fortunately I have not received such a ridiculous email. What are the origins?

I'm in Northern VA. As others stated, it was a mass email tied to IAABO. My association must have signed everyone else up, or I got on their mailing list somehow--still fairly new so not sure exactly.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:21pm

Mark, Jr., and I received the same email this afternoon. The email came from IAABO Headquarters and was sent to all IAABO members. I cannot believe it was included because every basketball officials knows that this is not traveling.

MTD, Sr.

Raymond Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:46pm

My boards are members of IAABO, but I personally am not. Keeps me from being assigned to games in Connecticut. :D

BillyMac Tue Jan 07, 2014 07:08am

We'd Never Let You Past The Border ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 917154)
Keeps me from being assigned to games in Connecticut.

Varsity fee: $91.32. Added bonus: All the taxes that you could afford to pay, plus more.

PG_Ref Tue Jan 07, 2014 09:13am

Clarification from IAABO:

The item was not intended to address standing and tossing/throwing/passing the ball from one hand to another, which is legal. I am guilty of not being as clear as I had intended to be. I hope this effort clears your concern up. Very seldom do I observe a player standing and tossing/throwing/passing the ball from one hand to the other. The concern with officials and officiating is that they watch a player begin and end 4, 5, 6, 7, dribbles and do not rule a violation.....I see that on a very regular basis. The situation in the memo was intending to address the player who begins a dribble by throwing/bouncing the ball toward the opposite hand and"catches"/palms the ball, which ends the dribble.
Situation:
End of quarter & end of game...little time remaining. Team wants to consume some time prior to progressing. Usually the "point Guard" has the ball he/she:
Bends his/her knees, bends at the shoulders, instead of standing and holding the ball. Player pushes/bounces the ball from one hand to the other hand,
palms the ball, ball comes to rest in/on a hand/ (ends the dribble) should be ruled a palming violation. Player immediately he/she pushes/bounces the back to the original hand. Palms the ball. Ball comes to rest in/on the hand (ends this second dribble). At times this action continues several times. Officials simply observe and rule this illegal repeated act as being legal.

Welpe Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:05am

Smells like...CYA.

Adam Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by PG_Ref (Post 917174)
Clarification from IAABO:

The item was not intended to address standing and tossing/throwing/passing the ball from one hand to another, which is legal. I am guilty of not being as clear as I had intended to be. I hope this effort clears your concern up. Very seldom do I observe a player standing and tossing/throwing/passing the ball from one hand to the other. The concern with officials and officiating is that they watch a player begin and end 4, 5, 6, 7, dribbles and do not rule a violation.....I see that on a very regular basis. The situation in the memo was intending to address the player who begins a dribble by throwing/bouncing the ball toward the opposite hand and"catches"/palms the ball, which ends the dribble.
Situation:
End of quarter & end of game...little time remaining. Team wants to consume some time prior to progressing. Usually the "point Guard" has the ball he/she:
Bends his/her knees, bends at the shoulders, instead of standing and holding the ball. Player pushes/bounces the ball from one hand to the other hand,
palms the ball, ball comes to rest in/on a hand/ (ends the dribble) should be ruled a palming violation. Player immediately he/she pushes/bounces the back to the original hand. Palms the ball. Ball comes to rest in/on the hand (ends this second dribble). At times this action continues several times. Officials simply observe and rule this illegal repeated act as being legal.

I'm with Welpe.

HokiePaul Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by PG_Ref (Post 917174)
Clarification from IAABO:
The situation in the memo was intending to address the player who begins a dribble by throwing/bouncing the ball toward the opposite hand and"catches"/palms the ball, which ends the dribble.

Wish they had a video example of what is seen "on a regular basis" that officials are missing. I tried to find an example on video somewhere and all I could find was this exagerated example of what I think they are talking about(first 10 seconds).
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/ICiuIiVq08k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

asdf Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:25pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 917176)
Smells like...CYA.

And a poor one to boot....

Camron Rust Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:45pm

The clarification is just as wrong as the original release. :eek:

EDIT...unless he was trying to say this was just a simple dribble with a lot of carries but pushing it to the other hand doesn't sound like a dribble.

rockyroad Tue Jan 07, 2014 02:33pm

Interesting clarification...I basically read it as

"Oops. After having several hundred of you tell me I am wrong, what I really meant was this situation which is entirely different from what I sent out before."

And, even in the clarification...I honestly don't think I have ever seen any player doing this so exaggeratedly that it needed to be called.

Adam Tue Jan 07, 2014 02:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 917190)
The clarification is just as wrong as the original release. :eek:

EDIT...unless he was trying to say this was just a simple dribble with a lot of carries but pushing it to the other hand doesn't sound like a dribble.

The clarification references "bouncing" so I think he's trying to say it's a situation of repeated dribbles with the dribbler grabbing the ball with one hand between a few dribbles.

Frankly, I've never seen this, and it's a stretch for me to think it is what he meant in the initial email.

I haven't seen his clarification, however: only the initial email.


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