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RookieDude Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:57pm

Bench Personnel?
 
4-34-1

"...A player is one of five team members who are legally on the court at any given time, except intermission."

Situation:

Team members are on the court and ready to begin the game with a jump ball...Prior to the toss, U1 notices A1 has an illegal undershirt on.

A1 is notified that his undershirt is illegal and cannot participate with it.

A1 instantly removes Jersey and Undershirt, in front of bench, as he does not want to miss the tip-off.

You make the call.

Nevadaref Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:06am

Since the ball has yet to be made live on the toss, there are no players yet.
Therefore, the technical foul gets charged directly to A1 and indirectly to the Head Coach.

OKREF Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:13am

I'm letting this go, and we are playing on.

Nevadaref Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 916957)
I'm letting this go, and we are playing on.

Please go to the nearest Footlocker and return your striped shirt.

Raymond Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 916957)
I'm letting this go, and we are playing on.

Not in Virginia ;)

The 2 times I've had to have a player change out of an undershirt, I was sure to tell the coach that his player needs to leave the visible confines.

There was a big uproar locally about 5-6 years ago when a player changed out his shorts, right in front of the bench, an he didn't get penalized.

just another ref Mon Jan 06, 2014 01:22am

At the Louisiana state tournament a couple of years ago a player apparently had blood on his jersey. No problem. He borrowed one from a teammate on the bench, took off his own jersey, and put on the new one as he walked across the court and returned to the game. Apparently I was the only one who noticed.

JetMetFan Mon Jan 06, 2014 06:15am

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 916957)
I'm letting this go, and we are playing on.

So the question would be...why?

Freddy Mon Jan 06, 2014 06:24am

Please Tell Me You're Joking
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 916957)
I'm letting this go, and we are playing on.

:eek:
What other instances of indifference do you desire to pass off to the next crew to whom the coach says, "But they let us do that last game!"

bob jenkins Mon Jan 06, 2014 09:16am

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 916957)
I'm letting this go, and we are playing on.

Is that your state's position or your personal opinion?

JRutledge Mon Jan 06, 2014 09:27am

We just tell the player to change their shirt outside of the court area. We make it clear why that is the case and that usually works.

Peace

grunewar Mon Jan 06, 2014 09:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 916962)
Not in Virginia ;)

The 2 times I've had to have a player change out of an undershirt, I was sure to tell the coach that he player needs to leave the visible confines.

Agreed.

In a recent Holiday Tournament, we had a young man who needed to change his under garment as it was the wrong color. As he started to disrobe "right there," the R told him to go behind the bleachers.

The T can be prevented in many cases.

OKREF Mon Jan 06, 2014 03:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 916984)
Agreed.

In a recent Holiday Tournament, we had a young man who needed to change his under garment as it was the wrong color. As he started to disrobe "right there," the R told him to go behind the bleachers.

The T can be prevented in many cases.

This is what I was trying to say. Just tell him to get it fixed, but not on the bench.

Adam Mon Jan 06, 2014 03:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 917042)
This is what I was trying to say. Just tell him to get it fixed, but not on the bench.

Easier said than done sometimes. Sometimes A1 has his shirt off before you can get through the sentence.

bob jenkins Mon Jan 06, 2014 03:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 917055)
Easier said than done sometimes. Sometimes A1 has his shirt off before you can get through the sentence.

Start the sentence with "you need to leave the court" instead of with "you need to change / remove your shirt." And, take the player to the coach and tell the coach the ruling / requirements.


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