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rlarry Mon Jan 06, 2014 03:23pm
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Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 917038)
This is how my association interprets this. I was taught that in a situation like this (where it is definately not zero or close to zero), briefly get together with your partner(s) if necessary and start asking yourself ... "Was it definately at least one second (yes); was it definately at least two seconds (yes) ... was it definatly at least five seconds (not sure) -- Subtract four seconds off the clock as you have definite knowledge that at least four seconds have elapsed.
I personally have a problem with that. i interpet definite knowledge as a count. 10 sec backcourt, 5 second closely guarded even a silent 3 sec. count not an agreed upon guess by the crew. Last time the mrs. and i had marital relations, I say it lasted 10 secs, she swears 2, unfortunately the clock never started.:D

Rich Mon Jan 06, 2014 03:33pm
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Originally Posted by rlarry (Post 917041)
I personally have a problem with that. i interpet definite knowledge as a count. 10 sec backcourt, 5 second closely guarded even a silent 3 sec. count not an agreed upon guess by the crew. Last time the mrs. and i had marital relations, I say it lasted 10 secs, she swears 2, unfortunately the clock never started.:D
If you can agree that at least 2 seconds elapsed, you have definite knowledge.

Definite knowledge doesn't always mean *exact* knowledge.

rlarry Mon Jan 06, 2014 03:48pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 917045)
If you can agree that at least 2 seconds elapsed, you have definite knowledge.

Definite knowledge doesn't always mean *exact* knowledge.
But either quess, 2 seconds or 10 seconds as illustrated in my very poor joke, are guesses they are in no way definite knowledge.

deecee Mon Jan 06, 2014 03:49pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 917045)
If you can agree that at least 2 seconds elapsed, you have definite knowledge.

Definite knowledge doesn't always mean *exact* knowledge.
completely agree. This is a case where some common sense should be used and a solution should be reached. It may very well be that NO time is taken off, but if the ball was inbounded in the backcourt and slowly walked up and then couple passes were made in the front court (and if an official didn't at least have a BC count here thats another issue) common sense says that a number GREATER than 0 should be taken off the clock.

Rich Mon Jan 06, 2014 04:11pm
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Originally Posted by rlarry (Post 917049)
But either quess, 2 seconds or 10 seconds as illustrated in my very poor joke, are guesses they are in no way definite knowledge.
You don't know if 2, 5, or 8 seconds came off the clock. Or 6.4. But you know that at least 2 came off.

That's definite knowledge and you're not forced to take 0 off just cause you don't know exactly 6.4 seconds elapsed.

Adam Mon Jan 06, 2014 04:14pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 917062)
You don't know if 2, 5, or 8 seconds came off the clock. Or 6.4. But you know that at least 2 came off.

That's definite knowledge and you're not forced to take 0 off just cause you don't know exactly 6.4 seconds elapsed.
It's really not much different than knowing you had a 3 seconds of a 5 second count in the middle of all that action. Take off 3 seconds, or take off nothing just because you don't know exactly how much time elapsed?

I'd take off the 3.

HokiePaul Mon Jan 06, 2014 04:28pm
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Originally Posted by rlarry (Post 917041)
I personally have a problem with that. i interpet definite knowledge as a count. 10 sec backcourt, 5 second closely guarded even a silent 3 sec. count not an agreed upon guess by the crew. Last time the mrs. and i had marital relations, I say it lasted 10 secs, she swears 2, unfortunately the clock never started.:D
Sounds like 2 seconds off the clock in my association :)

jeremy341a Mon Jan 06, 2014 07:27pm
I agree. Even with a count you never have definite knowledge of an exact amount of time due to it being a continuous variable. However you have a close approximation. I think if the crew can agree at least 3 seconds has elapsed than there is no problem taking that much off.


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