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If you were a teacher in a classroom...would you let a student shove another student and just give him/her a WARNING? Maybe...but one Technical can be considered a STERN WARNING...just like in the classroom. If your kid got shoved in the classroom...I don't think you would even mind an "EJECTION" from the classroom on the kid that did the shoving...would you? (I guess we could ask rockyroad how he would handle a classroom shove) Also...if a player taunted another player and that player punched the taunter...what would you do? I eject both. |
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Agree. If the "push" were an isolated incident, then I probably would simply have sternly spoken to the "pusher", and, as an isolated incident, I would not have charged a technical foul (dead ball intentional) to the "pusher". However, once the "push" caused the "punch", that now becomes a "fight", and now the situation leaves me but one choice, two separate flagrant technical fouls charged, disqualification for both, and paperwork for whomever is the referee in my game. Would this be a double technical foul, or a false double technical foul, i.e., point of interruption, or free throw shooting? |
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Your above statement has to do with philosophy (Game Management)...in my game Technical foul, no warning for dead ball contact, as shown on video, in the OP Quote:
Note: Hopefully, my loud whistle, my dramatic whack signal, and my strong presence of closing in stopped all the other nonsense. (Can you tell I have a bit of an ego?);) |
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And just to be clear. If you wanted to warn a player for certain contact in certain situations...I would have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM with your judgement, or with your philosopy in this matter... as my partner. It would not stop me wanting to work with you in future games. I would, however, discuss with you (maybe over a refreshment after the game) and in a good natured way... our differences in how we handle certain situations. You could take it or leave it...and I could take or leave your ideas. BUT...at least we are talking about situations and, hopefully, getting experience and getting better at reacting to these situations that we discuss. When a Coach sees us walk into his gym...he should know what to expect. Hopefully, most of the time...a well managed game, a controled game, a consistent game, a well called game, a game we can communicate with each other and maybe even have a little fun doing it.;) |
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Honestly I have a hard time believing this would happen in any of our games. Because you all look for trouble and do things that make the kids know they are going to be taken care of and you will take care of any crap they start to think about.
I dont believe that shove was the first sign of the trouble it was the last sign of trouble. Just how they handled it makes me have very little faith in the pre-signs and management of what probably lead up to it. Good officals elevate their game for a rivalry. Good officials elevate their game for a competitive game. Good officals look for the only thing that could mess up this type of game. Just my 2 cents worth. |
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I must’ve read the threads wrong but I thought Dan felt W #43 didn’t do what she did on purpose. If that’s not the case, my apologies.
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Rule 10, Section 4 ART. 5 The head coach is responsible for his/her own conduct and behavior, as well as substitutes, disqualified team members and all other bench personnel. Bench personnel, including the head coach, shall not: Leave the confines of the bench during a fight or when a fight may break out. NOTE: The head coach may enter the court in the situation where a fight may break out – or has broken out – to prevent the situation from escalating. PENALTY: (Art. 5) Flagrant foul, disqualification of individual offender, but only one technical-foul penalty is administered regardless of the number of offenders. This one foul is also charged indirectly to the head coach. If the head coach is an offender, an additional flagrant technical foul is charged directly to the coach and penalized. When a simultaneous technical foul(s) by opponents occurs, the free throws are not awarded when the penalties offset. |
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