Vid request missouri at nc state
 

Just under 4 minutes in 2nd half. Missouri on offense, block/charge and score the basket. Thought?

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Here's the play. There was only one angle shown where we could see anything worthwhile.


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I would have had B1 for the arm grab prior to A1's travel.

(beat you to it JAR :D )

As for the block/charge aspects, B1 moves into A1. It was a feat for him to even get in front of A1 at all considering B1 was going the wrong direction when A1 started his drive.

B1 in this play may be the quickest basketball player I've ever officiated.

(Full disclosure: Mizzou alum here) Not really seeing the travel. Right foot is the pivot, jumps off left and releases the shot before right comes back down. I don't see the defender in LGP before the shoothing motion begins (although he made it close). Looks weird and sloppy, but I see it as the right call. C was looking right at it and didn't hesitate (but shouldn't he be a bit lower than he is?).

I have A1 gathering with his left foot on the ground at the free throw line extended.

Looking at it again, I can see that. Hard to tell with that angle. I was trying to pause it when the dribble ended, but the transition between steps happens so fast its tough.

I have a block on this one. I don't think the defender had LGP.

On the play I have a block.

Mechanics-wise, is the C fading away from the play when making the call a bad thing? Wouldn't it be better to close down on the play?

He was stationary when he blew his whistle, then stepped away from the play when he started his signal.

I'm not disagreeing but would like to her your explanation. Thank you in advance.

What I saw was B1 get 2 down after A1 started going a different direction. B1 tried to hedge high and A1 instead went down the lane line.

Block...count the basket.

Had LGP but lost it when A1 drove down the lane instead of directly toward the basket.

The only reason I would step away while signalling is if I had a charge. If I had a block I would move towards the collision while signalling. What's the best way?

I think he thought charge to begin with but changed his mind.

I'll be the one and only maybe here to say this, but I've got a charge there.

Stand still. Unless it's a long distance call and you need to close in.

Many though start for the table right away.

Once again not disputing just trying to understand.
Why does he lose it? He had both feet own facing opponent. Opponent didn't get head and shoulders past so it seems to me it could have been a charge.

Is this a long-distance call?

No.

At the time the shooter was about the FT line extended the defender was to the side of the shooter...not in the path. The defender needed to reestablish LGP by getting two feet down while in the path again. He didn't do that. No element of his previously obtained LGP apply since he had lost it. All elements need to be obtained again.

That makes sense. Doesn't the defender have two feet down in the path right before the contact occurs?

Not in my opinion.

ART. 2

To obtain an initial legal guarding position:

a. The guard must have both feet touching the playing court.

b. The front of the guard's torso must be facing the opponent.

Seems to me, these were met. I'm struggling with those who claim the defender must somehow be "in the path" as defined by the direction he's heading (a concept that is not so defined in the rules).

First, I'm not convinced the "in the path" wording of 4-23-1 applies to establishing LGP as spelled out in 4-23-2. 4-23-2 says nothing about the path.

Second, "the path" is not defined, and I have a hard time defining so narrowly as to exclude the space between the dribbler and his basket just because he happens to be heading in a slightly altered direction.

Based on this interpretation, I think it may be hard to justify a closely guarded count when the dribbler is moving away from the defender.

I think this case play deals with this play.

10.6.9 SITUATION:

Dribbler A1 has established a straight-line path toward a certain area of the court. Can A1 maintain this specific path?

RULING: Only to the extent that no opponent who is behind or to the side can crowd A1 out of this path. Opponents may attempt to obtain a legal guarding position in A1's path at any time. To obtain an initial legal guarding position, both feet of the guard must be on the court and the guard must be facing the dribbler prior to contact. Time and distance are not factors in obtaining an initial guarding position on an opponent with the ball. Once legal position is obtained, the guard can move to maintain position in the dribbler's path. The requirement of having two feet on the court does not apply in maintaining a legal guarding position, provided the guard maintains in-bound status. (4-23)

Doesn't the play in the video look like the description given here. It doesn't say anything about having to start out in the path.

Good cite. That refers, more than once, to in the path being part of obtaining AND maintaining LGP.

I read it slightly different. It says you can get in the path, once LGP has occured. However, LGP says nothing about being in the path.

The definition of "guarding" does talk about the path.

ART. 1

Guarding is the act of legally placing the body in the path of an offensive opponent. There is no minimum distance required between the guard and opponent, but the maximum is 6 feet when closely guarded. Every player is entitled to a spot on the playing court provided such player gets there first without *illegally contacting an opponent. A player who extends an arm, shoulder, hip or leg into the path of an opponent is not considered to have a legal position if contact occurs.

To me, it says you "may" attempt to get into LGP in the path at anytime.
The "must" section says nothing about being in the path, and nowhere does it define "in the path" anyway.

Travel on the initial dribble.

Travel on the drive. If I'm going with a block, I don't count the basket, but award two shots. If a close call like this went a PC at an earlier time in the game, they had better have a PC again. If this was called a PC, I'm not sure I would bring it up if I was evaluating.

No, and he is moving into A1 at the time of contact.

Come on guys, this is not that difficult. If you are not in the path, you're not even guarding. Thus, you can't possibly have LGP.

Of course, we can still debate what the path is but the fact that it is a fundamental part of guarding is entirely unambiguous.

Fine, then I'm still challenging the definition of path. Otherwise, how do you have a closely guarded count when a ball handler is retreating away from his defender?

To me he is always in his "path" on this play. There is never a moment the offense has a clear lane to the rim.