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BillyMac Sat Dec 21, 2013 07:27am

Baby Needs A New Pair Of Shoes ...
 
Girls varsity game. Sixty second time out. I'm at the circle. Partner has ball on end line. Home team breaks huddle early, and all five home players come onto the court. Visitors are still in their timeout huddle. Still no warning horn. Home point guard decides to tie her shoe, right in front of home bench, while on the playing court. She struggles with the knot, and ends up sitting on the floor, and taking off her shoe. Warning horn sounds. Visitors are still in the huddle, while she struggles to put on, and tie shoe. Horn sounds to end timeout, and visitors break huddle, and come onto the court, while point guard is still sitting on the floor, struggling to tie the shoe. I figure that she's just a few seconds away from being ready to play, so I hold up my hand to delay my partner putting the ball in play, so he delays. A few seconds turns into several seconds. Home coach, on his own volition, sends substitute for "knot challenged" point guard to table, and I allow substitute in, after the warning horn.

My other choices? Not allowing substitute and continue to wait with no penalty? Not allowing substitute and force the home team to take a timeout? Send "knot challenged" player to the bench (like discovering jewelry, or an untucked jersey, but I don't think that there's a rule for this) and ask for a substitute? Delay of game warning? Let my partner put the ball into play with the point guard still on the floor?

Comments?

Adam Sat Dec 21, 2013 09:41am

The player is not ready to play due to an equipment issue; I'm letting the sub in.

bob jenkins Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:35am

SOME subs are allowed after the warning horn. Use 2-3 to make this one of those times.

BryanV21 Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:37am

I can certainly see allowing the substitution due to equipment issues, but I can also see allowing the player to get the shoe tied.

What if the coach doesn't want to take that girl out of the game? Is there a rule that says the player must be sent off the court?

bob jenkins Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:41am

You could deem it a safety issue and make her leave. Or maker her play with the shoe "as is". (Both after giving her a "reasonable" (an interpretation that wil vary by official and situation) chance to fix it.)

Mark Padgett Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:55am

Shoo her off the court. :rolleyes:

BillyMac Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:23am

Who Let The DOGs Out ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 915481)
What if the coach doesn't want to take that girl out of the game?

Delay of game warning (failure to have the court ready for play following any time-out)? Just like water on the court after a timeout, but, in this case, it's a girl on the court?

BryanV21 Sat Dec 21, 2013 01:27pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 915484)
Delay of game warning (failure to have the court ready for play following any time-out)? Just like water on the court after a timeout, but, in this case, it's a girl on the court?

Wouldn't a team have to purposely cause the delay for that to happen? In your example, the team left the water out there. Not sure you can blame the player for her shoe getting all screwed up.

I'm a pretty impatient person, so I wouldn't like doing it, but I'd keep waiting for her to get the shoe tied. Or, if the coach wanted to, I'd allow a sub.

bainsey Sat Dec 21, 2013 01:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 915484)
Delay of game warning (failure to have the court ready for play following any time-out)?

The court was ready for play; the player wasn't.

I like your decision. Treat it like an untucked jersey and get a sub.

Camron Rust Sat Dec 21, 2013 01:56pm

Sub!

bob jenkins Sat Dec 21, 2013 02:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 915484)
Delay of game warning (failure to have the court ready for play following any time-out)? Just like water on the court after a timeout, but, in this case, it's a girl on the court?

That's way too much interpretation of 2-3, imo.

BillyMac Sat Dec 21, 2013 02:10pm

It's Not An Untucked Jersey, Jewelry, Or Blood ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 915503)
The court was ready for play; the player wasn't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 915513)
That's way too much interpretation of 2-3.

Thus, the two question marks in my post. Just trying to find a straw to grasp in case the ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 915481)
...coach doesn't want to take that girl out of the game?


Adam Sat Dec 21, 2013 02:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 915484)
Delay of game warning (failure to have the court ready for play following any time-out)? Just like water on the court after a timeout, but, in this case, it's a girl on the court?

No.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 915501)
Wouldn't a team have to purposely cause the delay for that to happen? In your example, the team left the water out there. Not sure you can blame the player for her shoe getting all screwed up.

I'm a pretty impatient person, so I wouldn't like doing it, but I'd keep waiting for her to get the shoe tied. Or, if the coach wanted to, I'd allow a sub.

No, the delay doesn't have to be intentional.
None of the DOG warnings require intent.

If the coach doesn't sub, I'm going to wait a reasonable amount of time before requiring one. I will also decide what is reasonable.


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