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jeremy341a Thu Dec 19, 2013 02:28pm

Whistle after timeout even if returning with freet hrow?
 
I know the administering official is supposed to whistle to resume play after a timeout. Do we still do that if we are returning with a free throw? I did the other night but gave a much quieter and quicker tweet.

johnny d Thu Dec 19, 2013 02:30pm

I have never done this, nor have I ever worked with anyone who did this.

BryanV21 Thu Dec 19, 2013 02:36pm

I don't know if the book says so or not, but I do.

The reason being, after a lengthy dead-ball, there's a chance that somebody involved in the game (players, coaches, fellow officials, scorekeepers, or timer) isn't paying attention. Sounding the whistle alerts everybody that play is about to continue.

johnny d Thu Dec 19, 2013 02:49pm

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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 915167)
I don't know if the book says so or not, but I do.

The reason being, after a lengthy dead-ball, there's a chance that somebody involved in the game (players, coaches, fellow officials, scorekeepers, or timer) isn't paying attention. Sounding the whistle alerts everybody that play is about to continue.

Do you mean the players that just walked back onto the court after getting instructions from their coach? Not sure why they wouldn't be paying attention.

I cant see how the coaches that just got done giving their team instructions could fall asleep in the lengthy amount of time it takes to get the players lined up to shoot a free throw.

The timer isn't paying attention seconds after sounding the horn? I see the scorer taking a nap at every timeout, so I guess there is a chance he might not be paying attention.

I have worked with a few partners with short attention spans, but I am pretty sure even those guys were coherent coming out of a time out and getting players lined up for free throws.

Blow your whistle or not in this situation, that is up to you, but come up with a better reason. Nobody is buying this one.

BryanV21 Thu Dec 19, 2013 02:56pm

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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 915172)
Do you mean the players that just walked back onto the court after getting instructions from their coach? Not sure why they wouldn't be paying attention.

I cant see how the coaches that just got done giving their team instructions could fall asleep in the lengthy amount of time it takes to get the players lined up to shoot a free throw.

The timer isn't paying attention seconds after sounding the horn? I see the scorer taking a nap at every timeout, so I guess there is a chance he might not be paying attention.

I have worked with a few partners with short attention spans, but I am pretty sure even those guys were coherent coming out of a time out and getting players lined up for free throws.

Blow your whistle or not in this situation, that is up to you, but come up with a better reason. Nobody is buying this one.

All of those people have other things going on. Players may be talking about who they are defending, coaches may be talking about the possible in-bounds play after a made basket, scorekeepers may be going over substitutes during the TO, my partners may be counting the number of players out on the court after the TO.

Never assume everybody is on the same page. It's far better to be overcautious than undercautious.

Camron Rust Thu Dec 19, 2013 02:59pm

After a timeout and the teams are ready to play (in position for the FT) no.

If they are late getting out of the timeout, yes.

johnny d Thu Dec 19, 2013 03:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 915173)
All of those people have other things going on. Players may be talking about who they are defending, coaches may be talking about the possible in-bounds play after a made basket, scorekeepers may be going over substitutes during the TO, my partners may be counting the number of players out on the court after the TO.

Never assume everybody is on the same page. It's far better to be overcautious than undercautious.

Ok, let's assume some of this is true.

1. To paraphrase a recent Secretary of State, what difference exactly does it make whether or not the coaches are paying attention?

2. Your partners are still counting players as you are administering the free throw? I sure hope you guys did this before putting the ball in play.

3. On most free throws, 7 of the 10 players on the court are going to be involved in the free throw. You don't think they are going to start paying attention when you step in and tell them how many free throws before bouncing the ball to the shooter if you don't blow your whistle? As for the other 3 players, I am pretty sure they will figure out pretty quickly that the game has started once the free throw is taken, regardless as to whether they are discussing their defensive matchups, or the coed they are going to hook up with after the game.

PG_Ref Thu Dec 19, 2013 03:15pm

NFHS Officials manual

2.4.4.D.4 and 3.4.4.D.4
After the second horn to end the time-out or intermission, the administering official shall sound his/her whistle to indicate play is ready to resume.

However, not many sound their whistle if we're shooting free throws after time-outs.

BryanV21 Thu Dec 19, 2013 03:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PG_Ref (Post 915182)
NFHS Officials manual

2.4.4.D.4 and 3.4.4.D.4
After the second horn to end the time-out or intermission, the administering official shall sound his/her whistle to indicate play is ready to resume.

However, not many sound their whistle if we're shooting free throws after time-outs.

Thank you.

bob jenkins Thu Dec 19, 2013 03:22pm

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Originally Posted by jeremy341a (Post 915163)
I know the administering official is supposed to whistle to resume play after a timeout. Do we still do that if we are returning with a free throw? I did the other night but gave a much quieter and quicker tweet.

What do others (especially those who are working the level you want to work and are on the way up) in your are do? Do that.

(Here, no.)

jeremy341a Thu Dec 19, 2013 03:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 915185)
What do others (especially those who are working the level you want to work and are on the way up) in your are do? Do that.

(Here, no.)

Some do and some don't. I would say that most don't though. I played it as safe as i could with the quieter quick tweet. I was trying to play it safe.

Scratch85 Thu Dec 19, 2013 04:12pm

In my area, all whistle to resume play after a time-out and before a FT. If being observed, you will get "dinged" if you do not whistle.

BillyMac Thu Dec 19, 2013 05:41pm

My Little Corner Of Connecticut ...
 
The book says that we do, but we don't, so I won't.

Remember, when in Rome ...

Adam Thu Dec 19, 2013 06:25pm

I try to do it, for the same reason I blow the whistle when a TO is followed by a throw in. The book tells me to (I don't recall an exception for FTs).

Frankly, I see no reason to do it in either case.

Raymond Thu Dec 19, 2013 08:57pm

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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 915165)
I have never done this, nor have I ever worked with anyone who did this.

you have never worked with me. I do it regularly.


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