Some Nights
 

Called my first three second violation of the season last night in girls varsity. Girl caught the ball and just stood in the lane waiting apparently for the Red Sea to open up. I tried to give her plenty of time to make some kind of move but it never came.

The coach was upset because she said I can't call a three second violation if the player in the lane has the ball.

No wonder they have not won a game this year.

We had a coach argue a travel called against his opponent. Said he didn't mean to be a jerk, but that was a "legal stutter step." Told my partner he should've whacked him for being a jerk.

If we had fewer than 10-15 travels, I'd be shocked.

Last night, a coach protested that his player did not commit a player control foul (NFHS) because the defender was under the basket ...:eek:

Gv
 

Were you one of my P's last night?

Last night also goes down for me as having the most blocked shots I can remember - I'd say 15 - 20 for sure. Memorable.

Shooting percentage last night - probably 5-10% combined. HORRIBLE! Also memorable. Blech.

We had a Home player dunk during warm-ups. While R was taking care of informing table and Coaches,Visiting player goes up and throws one down also. I walked over to him and said "Really?" and his response was "Well they already did it, so you can't T me too."

Sigh...

Freedom of Movement...
 

That is alright, first night 10 days ago BV...assistant coach told me freedom of movement was a point of emphasis...I reluctantly bit in and told him if it is we just bumped up a level and I wasn't getting paid enough!!!

Was it a false double T or a simultaneous T? :D

Stir that pot!!:D

We had V shoot 2, then H shoot 2 and then inbound ball at division line. As soon as H had ball for throw-in, arrow went to V. Both my partners wanted to shoot all 4 and then toss it up...talked them out of that.

I had a coach tell me last night, just after his player who was trying to pick up a loose finally gained control but was out of bounds, "I was asking for timeout way before she even picked the ball up"

No one bit, so I will. Very slightly too early there.

Hmmmm...don't think so. There is a case play under Rule 6 that addresses this very situation...don't have my books with me at work, but I read it to my doubting partners after the game. Pretty sure (like 99.99%) that it says to set the arrow when it is at the disposal of the thrower.

Anyone got their Case book handy?

Mine last night in the 4Q of a BV after an offensive player pushed a defensive player to the ground just outside the block, while trying to post up and I blew a team control foul.....

'He was just fighting for position!!'

:rolleyes:

Change it to 100%
TECHNICAL BEFORE PERIOD STARTS
6.4.1 SITUATION A: Twelve minutes before the game is scheduled to start,
team member A1 dunks the ball and is charged with a technical foul. B1 is discovered
to be wearing an illegal shirt, as the players prepare for the start of the
game. RULING: The game will be started by awarding Team B two free throws for
A1’s technical foul. Team A will then be given two free throws and the ball for a
division-line throw-in for B1’s infraction. When the thrower of Team A has the ball
for the throw-in, they have control for purposes of establishing the procedure and
the arrow is immediately set toward B’s basket. Team B will have the first
opportunity for an alternating-possession throw-in. (4-3)

Thanks!

This happened a few times before the coach for Team B said anything...

1. A1 attempts a three-pointer.

2. B1 turns and proceeds to box out A1/shooter, but while doing so backs up into A1 (after A1 had already returned to the floor)... knocking A1 down.

3. B1 is called for a pushing foul (not shooting, as A1 is no longer an "airborne shooter" after returning to the floor).

After a couple times calling this, the coach for Team B politely asks me why it was a foul. She says that her team was simply boxing out the shooter. I explain that the former shooter has the right to the spot where she lands, and Team B's defender is not allowed to displace the former shooter from that spot.

The coach thinks this is ridiculous and proceeds to turn around, look at her assistants, and laugh while holding out her arms... as if I'm an idiot. A little while later she gets out of hand after I called a foul on one of her players, earning her a seatbelt for the rest of the game.

With less than a minute left, while her team is bringing the ball down the court, I hear her yelling something that sounds like "time out". I blow my whistle and ask if she wants time. She proceeds to laugh as if my question is the dumbest thing she's ever heard, telling me she said "five out". As if "five out" sounds nothing like "time out", especially when it's being yelled out and not in my direction. I just give her team another throw-in, without a time out, and the game ends with no further issue.

BTW, Team B (the one whose coach was a problem) lost 65-11.

[QUOTE=BryanV21;915112]This happened a few times before the coach for Team B said anything...

1. A1 attempts a three-pointer.

2. B1 turns and proceeds to box out A1/shooter, but while doing so backs up into A1 (after A1 had already returned to the floor)... knocking A1 down.

3. B1 is called for a pushing foul (not shooting, as A1 is no longer an "airborne shooter" after returning to the floor).
After a couple times calling this, the coach for Team B politely asks me why it was a foul. She says that her team was simply boxing out the shooter. I explain that the former shooter has the right to the spot where she lands, and Team B's defender is not allowed to displace the former shooter from that spot.

I made this exact call last night in a FR Tournanment game. Oddly enough girls seem to be the one who do this the most. However, this was a boys game :confused:.

A1 shoots a three on side right next to coach (on defense) in first half. Player lands, defender turns around to box out and butts him right in the stomach. Player didn't fall but was clearly displaced. Partner said basket was good, I report. Coach says I can't call that foul because he was only boxing out, and the offensive player had returned to the floor :rolleyes:.

[QUOTE=j51969;915113]In all honesty I struggle with this one. Not because when it happens its not a foul, but because the defense is basically doing the same thing all over the floor. THe only difference tends to be that the shooter is making no attempt to rebound so they are not bracing or preparing for contact so they end up discplaced and knocked down.

I still call the foul but I get the uhoh feeling everytime I do because i know as a crew we are passing on the exact same action/ even more intense contact on boxouts inside where kids are wanting to battle.

Just on observation not an attempt to hi-jack the thread.

When players are boxing out, or jockeying for position on a rebound (to me) is completely different contact. Protecting the shooter who is defenseless just before, during, and after a shoot is a must.

[QUOTE=Pantherdreams;915115]That's true.

I guess it's determining displacement that's the issue. In the situation I provide, it's obvious displacement as the player is knocked to the floor. But when nobody is clearly knocked out of position, it's tough to call.

And I agree with what j51969 said... we should give extra care to defenseless players. Kind of like in football, where calls regarding a defenseless player are much more evident.

Had a similar incident with the false time out. I think the coach was yelling "side-out" which is a play they run around her but maybe it was "five out". Either way, I just reacted and blew the whistle. Then I realized that 1) he did not call time out and 2) his team didn't have posession so it would not have been a time out anyway. We all got a good laugh at it and we inbounded the ball at the POI for inadvertant whistle. I try to listen a lot more careful now when I hear a team running any kind of play with the word "out" in it.

On another note, the blocking out fouls are getting ridiculous, especially in the post. In every game I see players set up to block out and then back the other player way out of position. Eventually, I get that frustrated question from the coach "then how am I supposed to teach my kids to block out"? My answer is simple, there is a difference between "blocking out" and "backing out". The first is legan and the second displaces the other player putting him at a disadvatage and should be called every time. Hit it early and it will clean itself up.

THIS is when she earned the T. You waited too long. Don't take this.

Boxing out is the legal act of taking a position and keeping it. It is not pushing aside another player who has their own legally obtained position.

There was a time, maybe like last season, where I would have agreed with you. But now, by the time she turned her back, I would have had my full attention back towards the court and wouldn't be paying her any mind to know what she is doing.

Different refs have different tolerance/patience levels. I know some who are very quick with the T, some who will talk it out (or warn) a few times first, and some who seem to be VERY thick skinned. For me, it depends on what I feel the coach's intent was and whether or not it was directly directed (grammer??) at me. If the coach vented some steam but was not mocking me or trying to work up the bench or crowd, I might be patient. BUT, if she was mocking, calling the crews credibility into question, or was looking directly at me and waved me off like that I probably would have gone to the T without hesitation.

One of the things I love about refing this sport is how often judgement comes into play. I know we also have rules and must go by the book (so to speak), but every night we face situations where we get to interpret what is happening and make decisions based on knowledge, experience and many other factors. I'm always fascinated by that.

If the game was closer, then perhaps I would have t'd her up earlier. But her team was down big at the time, so I chalked it up to her simply being frustrated with the game and not me or my partners.

Of course, it got to a point where I could no longer ignore it, but in a situation like that I give the coach the benefit of the doubt.

During the whole "five out"/"time out" thing I wanted to give her a 2nd "t" and toss her, but I didn't feel like dragging the game out any longer.

Basketball Rules For $600.00 Please Alex ...
 

What is displacement?

Did I get it right? Do I move on to Final Jeopardy?