You Decide - Block, Charge or Travel (Clip)
 

You Decide - block, charge or travel for high school game?

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Man, I never want to be THAT partner. Lead had the defensive foul (correct call IMO), and this guy comes in and says I don't care what you have, here's what I have, BANG!

1) This is a charge.

2) The blond haired Ron Burgundy needs to replace his gray shoes with black shoes.

3) Ron Burgundy needs to worry about his PAC and not his partner's PAC.

MTD, Sr.

I think block is the correct call as well. From this camera angle, it is hard to tell exactly when the player ended their dribble. Not sure how the official that called the travel saw that clearly either.

I doubt that is what he is thinking. I don't even think a conversation is necessary here. If you are calling a travel, it is pretty obvious that the travel had to have occurred before any contact was made. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether the other official had block or charge.

I do agree, that he is fishing outside of his primary though on a play that he doesn't have an ideal look.

I think the girl travelled twice (once before the dribble and once after), but it's hard to tell. If it wasn't a travel, then I agree that charge is more likely than block.

Since the play started in the T's Area (I'm assuming this is two person), I have no problem with T making a call.

Not a great angle but I'm calling a block here

That old warhorse needs a tongue lashing at the end of the half. Grey shoes look like crap. Wristwatch looks like crap. He reached WAYYY across and called an inconclusive travel that he couldn't have possibly seen clearly...then waved his partenr off after he made a good call dead in his lap. I don't care how new or inexperienced the partner is, this guy looks horrible.

• Stay in your primary.
• Trust your partner.
• Look the part.

I'm scratching this goober before my next game.

Based on this angle I have a no-call (and thus OOB white). No way partner should be overruling here, he had no whistle and didn't have his arm up. Looks like he just decided after the foul to go back and get a phantom travel.

First of all, I have no problem if a partner has a violation before a foul. That can happen from time to time in a game and really happens in 2 person games. I am just not in favor of the body language of the officials and that includes both of them. If I have a call he is going to have to do a little more to talk me off of it than a "wave off" that was shown by the Trail here. And I have as much problem with the lead going to get the ball, turning his back on the players as I do with the body language of the Trail. The ball is not going anywhere.

Peace

He gives his partner a stop sign 3 times and doesn't consult with him at all. It just looks bad. If I'm the lead, I'm taking his gestures as "I got your foul for you", so I would let him report it. Which is what looks like what happened here. L lets his partner take the call, and then sees he got overruled, and at that point you have to go with the call. But if I'm lead, I'm having a conversation with that guy later.

I can buy a no-call...but there's no way the contact in that play warrants a charge call.

Don't work much 2 man....

If he is T rather than C on this play why is he where he is?

Wow, that is just bad.

As rare as it is, I agree with Rut's post on this one.

This is either a block (not likely) or just an OOB call. (More likely if it's me)

Gotta believe it is 3 man mechanics and the T is just really deep and never comes into the camera view.

Guy is way out of his primary, and is out of line for just waving his partner off like that.

I can see the L having an out of bounds off of the the dribbler in this play. Looking over the T's shoulder it appears to be a charge, but I think that looking from the L's position it would be a six of one and a half a dozen of the other with regard to a charge or out of bounds off of the dribbler.

MTD, Sr.

I can't see this game having three officials on it. It is 2-man and the Trail is working deep toward the endline.

The first travel is about as blatant as it gets. Fred Flintstone doesn't get that kind of jump when he's driving his car. And THAT'S in the T's primary.

Love the wave off by the T. Not.

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I have a no call on that play. From the T or C position whichever he is in...I don't believe he can see when you gathered the ball. He might have a better angle than what we get to see here, but I don't have a Charge/Block call either, just and OOB and give ball to white.

I also don't see how some have a travel when A1 gets the ball unless there is a reverse angle we don't see to see when she pushed the ball to start her dribble.

Thirdly, I would ask the guy did he acid wash his hair before the game to make a move like that. At half, between games, or maybe a timeout, I would politley tell him to never do that again!!!!!! :mad:

I can't tell if she puts the ball on the floor in the beginning of her steps and I don't think the Trail can either so I am doubting that is what he has.

From this angle it looks to me like she has not traveled at the end of the play either as she is bumped by the defender before her pivot foot returns to the floor.

So, what I do see is a clear block. The defender moved into her pathway causing the contact.

That's what I was thinking as well ... And once I realize he has overruled me and announced the violation, there's not much the lead can do. Unless he said something like "I've got a travel first" ... but I doubt it because the players seem totally confused as well until after the signal.

You really think so?

In two person, why would the T be below the free throw line extended? That's where he would set up as C in a 3 person crew. I really think it's 3 person...which makes him even more of a doofus for reaching that far across through all those players.

Why would he reach across the lane that far through all of those bodies to get a borderline travel and look like a doofus waving the foul off? You can figure out his skill level/experience from the video, so I don't think it's a stretch to say he might be out of position as the Trail.

Not trying to be a dick, just saying...

A1 travels when she starts her dribble. After that incidental contact. W21 established LGP then sidestepped to maintain it.

Helluva lot better LGP than the other thread.

Not 100% sure, but the pieces I can see sure suggest it.

If the T was in the proper position (up higher and farther on the court) to officiate her in his primary, he'd get that travel.

Don't think you are being a dick at all.

Just think they are working 3 person really poorly.

Does 'T' (or 'C') official ever raise his hand? What did the defender do wrong?

Anyone here wear a watch when working basketball games?

I don't, regardless of what season it is. Honestly, and I'm probably judging too harshly, that's all I need to see.

This looks like a situation where the Trail official (white hair) has assumed the role of veteran to the Lead's "Newbie". The T doesn't raise his hand (or fist) to stop the clock. The T may not have had a call at all...or maybe he did. But it appears that the T does think he knows what his much younger partner is about to call (PC maybe)...and he seems to be signaling him not to report his call. Instead the T reports the Travel. At least that's what it looks like to me.

But the shoes do look like crap. :p

Nope.......or a belt either! ;)

My PERCEPTION of that official is not very positive. ;)

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How else would we time eight minutes, ten seconds, three seconds, five seconds, thirty seconds, sixty seconds, etc.

Shut up.

Don't know but i had a partner in two person recently that, on at least 4-5 occasions while I was administering an endline throwin in the frontcourt, set up as trail straight out from me. I asked him about it because I was puzzled about why he was doing it, particularly since he didn't go back to the correct side on more than one occasion. He denied being in line with me but admitted he came pretty far over. He said he had a better look at the play from there. OK, fine....but he didn't go back to his side at least 2-3 times and had plays occur on his side with no one there. Again, I have no idea why...made little sense and I think he just forgot where he was and wasn't open to admitting he had no idea where he was.

I can't see anything to call from the camera view...travel? maybe (probably not). Block, not likely either. PC, maybe, but not likely either. OOB, yep.

The lead has an open look and hits the whistle upon the contact by #21 White (which appears marginal to me). I can live with a block call or, better yet, an OOB call. I just don't see the travel call (either the alleged first one or second one). I have a REAL problem with how the trail handles the entire situation.

Exactly my thoughts.

I don't have enough to call a travel just from this video, although I'm willing to bet that if I did have the right angle that the player did (lifted the pivot foot before starting the dribble).

Ugly basketball, ugly officiating.

I have a no-call and ball oob to white. Don't see a block or charge at all here.

I like the travel call….Always better to call a violation in a close call than to call a foul ... IMO.

huh?

The girl traveled twice. Once at the beginning and once before the contact.

The travel immediately before the contact is close, but I do believe it was there. I also think that the T is horribly out of position in Fed, IAABO, and especially FIBA considerations, for this travel call.

I also believe that there could have been a travel call when 12 black obtained possession. It's close as well. I wouldn't mind if it was called in real time.


21 white, the defender is guarding 33 black when 33 has the ball. She switches to the ball carrier, 12 black, after 33 flashes to the middle of the FTL. During this switch, she establishes LGP immediately. 21 white doesn't move forwards and does take contact in the torso. I don't have a block, but a PC may be a tough call to sell. Call the out of bounds violation - white ball on the endline. That is, if there is no travel violation called.

And the T needs to update his look, to look the part. And change his approach, beginning with actually raising his arm when he has something. Even if it's late. :)

I agree, this looks bad. That's why, in these parts, we're required to raise an open hand before all violations. If I have a fist up, I want my partner to have a open hand, if he has something different. Then, we can talk about it.

Ultimately, we reached the right destination, but it was a bumpy ride.

Isn't this a requirement in all parts?

If in your part, someone doesn't raise their arm, then what?

The Domino Effect ...
 

I don't officiate in a part, but rather, in a little corner. And, we are expected to put up an open hand on all violations. The penalty if we don't? Lower peer ratings. Lower ranking. Lower level games instead of higher level games. Fewer assignments. Lighter wallet.

No. We are permitted to directly to the direction on OOB calls.

What he said.

If I had a partner take a call from me like that. I would wait for a time out or break, let him know about it and then vurtually put my whistle away, as he doesn't seem to need help! What a horrible play phase followed by some similar standard officiating.

JRut and I are agreeing again (must be a full moon). My issue is as much with how both of them look during this nonsense as with how it was handled. The wave off, the L getting the ball, no hand up to stop the clock by the T (or the C, whatever he was), both of them leaning their bodies sideways at some point to try to get a better view as opposed to just moving their feet. Not a lot of stuff here that would go on a "how to" video.

As for the wave off, why do I get the feeling this wasn't the first time it happened during the game? I have a feeling this guy and I would've had a long, spirited talk when the game was over.

Oh, the call itself: I'm not sure of a travel when #12 first got the ball or when it was called and I'm no-calling the contact that was whistled a foul.