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If one foul actually occurred first, you penalize that foul and ignore the other. UNLESS, that "other" foul is flagrant or intentional. |
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I'm avoiding a simultaneous, or multiple, foul as much as possible. I feel like we're talking ourselves into trouble (or at least an unnecessary lengthy explanation to the coaches) here. |
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We discussed issuing a flagrant against W2, but L thought that there wasn't any malice, nor premeditation. We thought given the state of the game at that time ( 3:24 left in 4th, Red up by 18), that the simultaneous was the correct call. |
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Some will say state of the game is irrelevant. Others will say go with the foul on the shot and forget the other, regardless of the state of the game. Consult your local listings. |
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A1 releases ball. A1 is fouled. Ball is still in the air and is live. A2 fouls while ball is in the air, but after A1 is fouled. Or, A1 releases ball. B1 moves into A1's landing space and at the same time A2 pushes B2 moving for rebound position. The last one is a simultaneous foul; the first two are false double fouls. Or, A1 is fouled. Ball goes below ring. A2 pushes B2. Because of recognition timing of the officials, the whistles sound sulitaneously. Here, we ignore the second foul. Both fouls (by rule) are penalized. Or, A1 starts try and is fouled. A1 releases ball on try. A2 fouls. Again, both fouls are penalized. |
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Wow. You guys really like to split hairs. What matters here is that you had two whistles, the crew came together, and a decision was made based on their judgement in that game. This all sounds like good mechanics which gave them credibility when explaining it to the coaches. When we evaluate refs in my chapter we focus mostly on mechanics and rules unless something is agregious. Judgement is judgement and I don't want to question a fellow refs judgement unless they were clearly in the wrong. When the crew mentioned in this post came together and determined that the fouls occured at the same time, they did exactly what they should have done. Without seeing it on tape that's the only conclusion I can clme too.
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The ball remaining live during a shot attempt has nothing to do with whether or not the person who shot the ball gets free throws or how many free throws. The ball remains live during the shot attempt. The shooter is only a shooter until they land. They can shoot a jump shot, land while the ball is still in the air, get fouled and not shoot any free throws. In this case, the basket would count and team A would either get the ball out of bounds at spot nearest where foul occurred or would shoot free throws if his team was in the bonus. They would not get one free throw for being fouled during an attempt nor would they get two or three free throws if the shot was unsuccessful. My point was that is not very likely that the person shooting a 3 point shot is still an airborne shooter when the ball is bouncing on the court. Therefore, the ball is only live until the shot ends. The shot ends, when it is certain it isn't going to be good. If the ball is bouncing on the floor, than the shot can no longer be good. |
Just clarifying a tertiary point. An airborne shooter does not keep the ball live. The ball becomes dead when the try is over regardless of whether the shooter has landed.
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