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Rich Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:54am

Team control, throw-in, IW
 
Team A's throw-in hits the underside of the basket. An official blows an IW.

Administer the aftermath.

APG Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:57am

POI is the throw-in...readminster.

tjones1 Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:58am

Throw-in never ended as it was not legally touched.

Team A's ball for the throw-in.

Raymond Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:00am

I either agree with either APG or tjones1, depending on whom I like better today.

bob jenkins Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 911976)
Throw-in never ended and it was not legally touched.
Team A's ball for the throw-in.

Does that matter? ;)

zm1283 Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:18am

On this note, I was working a scrimmage last Friday night. I was the Lead and administering the throw-in in the frontcourt on the endline. The thrower went to throw the ball to a teammate and it hit the bottom (From what I could tell) of the backboard and came down in bounds on the court, where one of the players on the court grabbed it. I wasn't going call a violation because it looked like it came straight down, leading me to believe that it hit the bottom of the backboard and not the back. It also landed in bounds. My partner comes in after a brief delay and says that it was a violation. At the next break I asked him about it and he said that when it hit, it angled back toward the endline so it must have hit the back of the backboard. I told him that it landed in bounds and from my angle it went straight down so I would have left it alone. We agreed to disagree and went on.

I remember people talking about this on here before. If it doesn't come straight down after hitting the backboard do you guys always assume it hit the back?

bob jenkins Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 911980)
I remember people talking about this on here before. If it doesn't come straight down after hitting the backboard do you guys always assume it hit the back?

If it goes back, it hit the back.

Whether it went back is, of course, judgment.

tjones1 Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 911979)
Does that matter? ;)

Fixed it! :)

bob jenkins Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 911982)
Fixed it! :)

Still doesn't matter. Even in the throw-in had ended, you'd still give the ball to A (although the spot might now be different from the original spot). A still has team control.

tjones1 Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 911989)
Still doesn't matter. Even in the throw-in had ended, you'd still give the ball to A (although the spot might now be different from the original spot). A still has team control.

Team control on a throw-in, huh? ;) Yeah, I'm a little slow this morning.

I would of been right two years ago though. lol

Thanks, Bob.

zm1283 Tue Nov 26, 2013 03:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 911981)
If it goes back, it hit the back.

Whether it went back is, of course, judgment.

Is the corner of the padding on the bottom of the backboard considered the back?

AremRed Tue Nov 26, 2013 03:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 912021)
Is the corner of the padding on the bottom of the backboard considered the back?

The rule of thumb is to see where the ball goes. If the ball rebounds back out of bounds then the ball probably hit the back. If the ball goes down as in the OP the ball probably hit the bottom. If the ball hits the back it should be obvious to everyone -- otherwise just play on.

bob jenkins Tue Nov 26, 2013 04:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 912029)
The rule of thumb is to see where the ball goes. If the ball rebounds back out of bounds then the ball probably hit the back. If the ball goes down as in the OP the ball probably hit the bottom. If the ball hits the back it should be obvious to everyone -- otherwise just play on.

I personally don't think it needs to rebound "back out of bounds". If it hits the court or is touched closer than 4' from the end line (as a general statement -- I'm not trying to get into measuring the diameter of the ball and which part of it hits where), then it hit the back.

Camron Rust Tue Nov 26, 2013 06:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 912034)
I personally don't think it needs to rebound "back out of bounds". If it hits the court or is touched closer than 4' from the end line (as a general statement -- I'm not trying to get into measuring the diameter of the ball and which part of it hits where), then it hit the back.

Agree. If it does not continue on past the board, then it hit at least some part of the back.

Adam Tue Nov 26, 2013 07:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 911980)
On this note, I was working a scrimmage last Friday night. I was the Lead and administering the throw-in in the frontcourt on the endline. The thrower went to throw the ball to a teammate and it hit the bottom (From what I could tell) of the backboard and came down in bounds on the court, where one of the players on the court grabbed it. I wasn't going call a violation because it looked like it came straight down, leading me to believe that it hit the bottom of the backboard and not the back. It also landed in bounds. My partner comes in after a brief delay and says that it was a violation. At the next break I asked him about it and he said that when it hit, it angled back toward the endline so it must have hit the back of the backboard. I told him that it landed in bounds and from my angle it went straight down so I would have left it alone. We agreed to disagree and went on.

I remember people talking about this on here before. If it doesn't come straight down after hitting the backboard do you guys always assume it hit the back?

No way I'm coming in to get this from T, regardless of what I saw. (unless it went straight back)


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