Logo placement
 

First on the shirt: 3-4-2d states it "may be located at the apex/opening of the neckline or above it. Not quite sure how you have a logo above the opening of your shirt as that would be your neck or head. Can someone put this into english on where a mascot can be?

Second, why is there a logo requirement/restriction on compression shorts in 3-5-7 as they cannot extend beyond the uniform pant anyway? Thus no one should be able to see it.

1) It means "above an imaginary line parallel to the ground, through the apex" -- in other words, in the "shoulder area" of the jersey.

2) While play is going on, the compression shorts are sometimes visible -- and so would a logo if it were allowed.

Also, when the rule first came into being baggy shorts weren't around. We old guys – i.e., folks who worked in the 80s or 90s – remember when compression shorts were first in style. The game shorts were actually shorts as opposed to culottes.

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Whoa!
 

Where does it say that compression shorts can not extend beyond the shorts?

Jp

"Second, why is there a logo requirement/restriction on compression shorts in 3-5-7 as they cannot extend beyond the uniform pant anyway? Thus no one should be able to see it."

NFHS 3-5-7

Compression shorts/tights shall be a single solid color similar to the predominant color of the pants/skirt; the length shall be above the knee. Undergarments shall not extend below the pants/skirt.

Semper Ubi Sub Ubi ...
 

So, obviously, for the purpose of length restrictions, leg sleeves aren't undergarments, and tights are undergarments.

compression shorts do not fall under the undergarment restrictions. undergarments= anything other than compression shorts.

Legal compression shorts can go below the shorts as long as they are above the knee.

According to who (whom?)? Rule citation please?

Leg sleeves are not an undergarment and are legal.

Tights are an undergarmentl.

Welcome the forum.

Wrong newbie. Undergarments are any garment worn under the uniform. Compression shorts are an undergarment and cannot extend below the uniform shorts. It's right there in black and white in 3-5-7.

Then why does the rule address compression shorts with certain restrictions an undergarments with another? Why not just group it all as undergarments. There is also a casebook play that addresses undergarments and compression shorts as separate issues.

Compression shorts, tights, boxers, brief, jock straps, other shorts, etc. are ALL examples of undergarments.

3-5-7 addresses compression shorts and tights' color and length.

There are no color or length restrictions on other undergarments.

The rule then continues on to address all undergarments and states that they cannot extend below the uniform pants/shorts/skirts.

...if they're being worn for medical reasons (3-5-3d) and meet the logo requirements of 3-6. ;)

Comments on the 2013-14 rules changes ...
 

LEG COMPRESSION SLEEVE REQUIREMENTS (3-5-3): The specifications for leg compression sleeves were added because of the frequent use of these sleeves for non-medical reasons. The specifications match those of arm compression sleeve. They must be white, beige, or a single solid school color. The sleeve must be the same color for each team member and have only a single manufacturer's logo that does not exceed 2 1/4 square inches. The sleeve must be worn for medical reasons only.

Yeah, but guess what, they'll all be for medical reasons this season.

While you might consider compression shorts undergarments, the NFHS rules do not.

If compression shorts can not be visible, then why would there be a requirement on color, length and logo?

2006-2007 NFHS rulebook:
page 26 rule 3 art.6
"Undergarments or tights shall not extend below the pants/skirt.
Exception: Compression shorts may be worn if the length is above the knee and they are of a single color similar to the predominant color ot the pants/skirt."

The rule has not changed in the 2012-13 book, it has been reorganized, a logo restriction has been aded since the 2006-07 book.

This has already been explained in the very first response in this thread. If you see it differently, then enforce it differently. My suggestion, enforce it according to the wishes of those who control your assignments.

The New Gray ???
 

Compression shorts/tights shall be a single solid color similar to the predominant color of the pants/skirt; the length shall be above the knee.
Undergarments shall not extend below the pants/skirt.

I don't think that it's black and white, maybe not even gray.

I'm not 100% certain, but unless the NFHS editor has, once again, screwed up, I don't believe that compression shorts are considered undergarments by the NFHS. The rule makes it sound like, if the uniform shorts were down to midthigh, then the compression shorts could legally go down to the knee.

I think this is being over analyzed. Compression shorts ARE undergarments.

Because I'm Your Mother And Because I Said So ???
 

If so, then why can they legally extend below the shorts (pants), as long as they're above the knee, while undergarments cannot legally extend below the shorts (pants).

Always listen to bob.

Because they're undergarments.

Compression shorts are no more undergarments than compression arm sleeves are undershirts. There are different restrictions for compression shorts verses undergarments and different restrictions for compression sleeves verses undershirts.

I think that the confusion occurs because "compression" and "undergarments" are stated in the same rule.

Riddle Me This ...
 

... Then why can they legally extend below the shorts (pants), as long as they're above the knee?

Aren't Editors Supposed To Edit ???
 

No. It's confusing because the NFHS rules editor doesn't edit.

BillyMac,

And, then there is that, too.

Two different sentences and two different topics. It doesn't say that compression shorts are undergarments nor does it say that compression shorts cannot extend below the pants/skirt. There are not a lot requirements on uniform shorts but your "panties" should not be seen. However, your compression shorts can be seen, but we don't want them to extend below the knees.

That second sentence in your rule posted above should be placed somewhere else in the rulebook.

I have always thought of compression shorts as undergarments...

But, I see what some of the guys are talking about, with the TWO seperate sentences in the rule.

With player's shorts so long these days...(many times the shorts are below the knees)

Maybe the rule means compression shorts have to be above the knee AND compression shorts (undergarments) cannot extend below the shorts.?????

This is my understanding. Frankly, they're undergarments until someone in authority (either local, IAABO, state, or NFHS) tells me otherwise. They're typically worn as undergarments, and overthinking the sentence structure from the NFHS is never wise, IMO. They're never that precise.

Frankly, I've never had an issue in an actual game with this.

If anybody is overthinking something here, it would be those who use undergarment and compression shorts interchangably.

That's always possible. I've been known to do that now and then.

Love That Bob ...
 

Agree. Words to the wise, from the wise. Always listen to ... Wait? I'm being told ... Who? Adam? Never mind.

FWIW, I've not treated compression shorts as undergarments. Compression shorts, AFAIC, can go down to the knee even if the shorts do not.

Most of the shorts do, and frankly, no one wears compression shorts (that I've seen) that extend significantly below the hem of the shorts. I don't pay that close attention, to be honest.

I have never advised a player to remove "compression shorts"...if they want to play...

I have, however, advised a player that they must remove their "tights"(long garment all the way to the ankle)...if they want to play.

(If a player really wants that look...why not just wear socks that go above the shorts?)

Something to ponder: For those of you that think Compression shorts are not undergarments...would you wear Compression shorts, by themselves, without "outerwear"? ;)

...come to think of it...I actually have...back in the day. i.e. bicycle looking shorts...speedos... whew! :eek:

Semper Ubi Sub Ubi ...
 

Back when I was teaching, we had a principal who made a very odd announcement one morning over the public address system. We had been having problems with our middle school students wearing their underwear on the outside (this was some type of fad about twenty-five years ago, probably having something to do with Madonna). I'm sure that he intended to say that students would not be allowed to wear underwear over their outerwear, but he ended up saying, "Students are not allowed to wear underwear". Imagine middle school students being encouraged to go commando. True story.