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MD Longhorn Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:13pm
Worst --- 2-3 seconds left, White down by one on a breakaway (and most likely would have scored had I not stopped play), I see a foul and blow the whistle.

Problem was, the foul was on Blue 24 ... who had just run up the back of, and knocked over, Blue 42.

Then White did not score on the throw in.

APG Thu Aug 29, 2013 01:04pm
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 903784)
This summer at camp, biggest brain fart I've ever had. 3 man mechanics. Free throw late in the game. Shooting team down 1, under 20 seconds left, second free throw. Shooter shoots the shot, runs about five feet in before the shot hits the rim. Makes the shot. I step in call a violation and wave off the bucket. Only problem is I was in the trail position. The "C" said he just missed it. It was so egregious, I just saw it and reacted.
I see nothing wrong with this? :confused:

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Aug 30, 2013 03:07pm
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 903802)
I see nothing wrong with this? :confused:
Neither do I.

MTD, Sr.

OKREF Fri Aug 30, 2013 03:36pm
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 903802)
I see nothing wrong with this? :confused:
Well I was at the trail, at around half court. Staffers asked me what I was looking at. If the C didn't get I shouldn't have. They told me we should have gotten together as a crew and came up with an inadvertent whistle. I didn't even realize it wasn't mine until we went down the court.

APG Fri Aug 30, 2013 03:46pm
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 903916)
Well I was at the trail, at around half court. Staffers asked me what I was looking at. If the C didn't get I shouldn't have. They told me we should have gotten together as a crew and came up with an inadvertent whistle. I didn't even realize it wasn't mine until we went down the court.
If it's as blatant and obvious as you're making it out to be and you gave the center an opportunity to get it, then I don't see the problem or error in getting this.

Rich Fri Aug 30, 2013 04:30pm
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 903918)
If it's as blatant and obvious as you're making it out to be and you gave the center an opportunity to get it, then I don't see the problem or error in getting this.
Me either. If you hadn't gotten it, they probably would've ripped you for not "saving the crew." And yes, some evaluators are like that.

AremRed Fri Aug 30, 2013 05:28pm
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 903916)
Well I was at the trail, at around half court. Staffers asked me what I was looking at. If the C didn't get I shouldn't have. They told me we should have gotten together as a crew and came up with an inadvertent whistle. I didn't even realize it wasn't mine until we went down the court.
As I learned recently, there is a lot of "do as I say, not as I do" among camp clinicians. Beware.

Bad Zebra Fri Aug 30, 2013 05:34pm
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 903916)
If the C didn't get I shouldn't have. They told me we should have gotten together as a crew and came up with an inadvertent whistle.
So, by this reasoning...a crew meeting...followed by a declaration of "inadvertent whistle"..followed by a PLAY ON? All because your partners were asleep? So you pass on the correct call because it's technically the wrong mechanic? What kind of camp was this???:confused:

Raymond Fri Aug 30, 2013 08:48pm
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 903916)
Well I was at the trail, at around half court. Staffers asked me what I was looking at. If the C didn't get I shouldn't have. They told me we should have gotten together as a crew and came up with an inadvertent whistle. I didn't even realize it wasn't mine until we went down the court.
That's crazy. So an obvious violation gets ignored b/c of mechanics? From what I've been taught in a 3-man crew the trail is responsible for helping the Lead and Slot with obvious fouls/violations.

OKREF Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:07am
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 903939)
That's crazy. So an obvious violation gets ignored b/c of mechanics? From what I've been taught in a 3-man crew the trail is responsible for helping the Lead and Slot with obvious fouls/violations.
It was blatant. A player on the bench from the shooters own team, asked me after the game, what I called. I told him and he said yea, I could see that. They told me the trail should never call a violation because he has no responsibilities on the free throw as far as the lane and shooter are concerned.

OKREF Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:11am
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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 903932)
So, by this reasoning...a crew meeting...followed by a declaration of "inadvertent whistle"..followed by a PLAY ON? All because your partners were asleep? So you pass on the correct call because it's technically the wrong mechanic? What kind of camp was this???:confused:
State association sponsored camp.

Bad Zebra Sat Aug 31, 2013 07:36am
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 903953)
State association sponsored camp.
In that context, then I'm not surprised. Some of our state "philosophies" are real head scratchers. Just the same, I disagree with their recommendation...never pass on a correct call just to protect protocol.

BktBallRef Sat Aug 31, 2013 09:07am
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Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 903916)
Well I was at the trail, at around half court. Staffers asked me what I was looking at. If the C didn't get I shouldn't have. They told me we should have gotten together as a crew and came up with an inadvertent whistle. I didn't even realize it wasn't mine until we went down the court.
That's the problem with camps. Staffers are more worried about their damn philosophies than getting the call right! :mad:

BillyMac Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:08am
The 800 Pound White Elephant In The Room (How's That For Mixing Metaphors?) ...
 
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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 903962)
... never pass on a correct call just to protect protocol.
Elephants and ants. Felonies and misdemeanors. Apples and oranges. Wait? I'm being told ... What? Doesn't apply? Elephants and ants. Felonies and misdemeanors


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