Can We Please Try This Again ???

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What's the rationale behind why it's permitted on the women's side? Most officials frown at the use of, "On the floor", especially since the phrase doesn't really match the rule; especially with girls, and women, who seem to like the old fashioned set shot, especially when taken from behind the three point line.

Billy why do you think someone will know the rationale of why a phrase is used in the CCA manual? Maybe they just like the wording.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Why do you think someone will know the rationale of why a phrase is used in the CCA manual?

Because most, but not all, officials that I know, especially almost all the best officials on my local board, many of whom happen to be college officials, frown upon such language ("On the floor"). I am not at all familiar with college mechanics. I am familiar with high school rules, and mechanics, and know that while coaches have the most input into the rules, officials have the most input into mechanics. I am only familiar with a subset of high school mechanics, i.e., IAABO, and when a mechanics change is made, we are given a reason for the change. The same thing was true several years ago when IAABO officials used NFHS mechanics, we were always presented with a rationale for any mechanics change. I guess that that's not the case with college mechanics? I've never even seen a CCA manual, don't know who is responsible for making changes in the manual, and have no idea what the initialism, CCA, stands for. That gives you an idea of how much I know about college mechanics, and thus my curiosity.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Billy why do you think someone will know the rationale of why a phrase is used in the CCA manual? Maybe they just like the wording.

Most changes (and content emphases) are discussed at regional NCAA meetings, and some through postings on the Arbiter, and I'd postulate that many juco and DIII officials (and DII officials who aren't mandated to attend) at least know one or more D1 or DII officials who have attended those meetings (or run into them at camps with the opportunity of asking them questions), so posing that question would have a pretty reasonable chance at getting a first , second, or third-hand response on it, in my opinion.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Most changes (and content emphases) are discussed at regional NCAA meetings, and some through postings on the Arbiter, and I'd postulate that many juco and DIII officials (and DII officials who aren't mandated to attend) at least know one or more D1 or DII officials who have attended those meetings (or run into them at camps with the opportunity of asking them questions), so posing that question would have a pretty reasonable chance at getting a first , second, or third-hand response on it, in my opinion.

I've been to an NCAA clinic. It was run by John Adams. There is a limited amount of time. I doubt a 3-word phrase in the CCA manual would be something NCAA-Women's coordinator would spend anytime discussing.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I've been to an NCAA clinic. It was run by John Adams. There is a limited amount of time. I doubt a 3-word phrase in the CCA manual would be something NCAA-Women's coordinator would spend anytime discussing.

So have I, and I've heard Debbie Williamson speak, lead, and present on multiple topics and items from the rule book and manual - from the broader topic/issue down to minutia, and your assumption is essentially suggesting that any approved mechanic carries any less weight than others in the manual - and I respectfully disagree with that - as I can only speak to the women's side - and it's, as many have pointed out here over the last 5 or so years, much more strict-mechanic-oriented - some have even used the term "robotic," I believe.

[Robert E. Harrison]

You have the run of the baseline.

It is not a baseline it is an endline. The baseline in basketball refers to the line at the bottom of the rectangle on the backboard.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Robert E. Harrison

You have the run of the baseline. It is not a baseline it is an endline. The baseline in basketball refers to the line at the bottom of the rectangle on the backboard.

Thanks Bobby, I can call you Bobby, right? The only people who call be Billy are officials, my mother, and my aunt. Nobody else calls me Billy, it's always Bill. I've always been Billy on the basketball court, as a player, and now, as an official. It's a fun name, that makes me feel young. It's a game? Right?

Technically, you are 100% correct. Baselines are in baseball. We've had this discussion, usually in fun, many times, on this Forum. This is hairsplitting to the uber extreme, to the nth degree.

We've also fiddled around with "calling" a timeout. Does it mean "request" a timeout, or does it mean "grant" a timeout?

I like to catch people on "midcourt line", there is no longer such a thing. There used to be one that separated the forecourt from the midcourt, at the 28 foot hashmark, but it's no longer there, because there is no longer a closely guarded rule that uses that hashmark. It's a "division line".

I believe that there's another semantics issue that occasionally makes it way onto the Forum, but I can't think of it right now. I'm sure that another Forum member can refresh my memory.

These are a little too hairsplitting for me, but thanks anyway.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Robert E. Harrison

You have the run of the baseline.

It is not a baseline it is an endline. The baseline in basketball refers to the line at the bottom of the rectangle on the backboard.

So you are saying it will confuse players if we tell them they can run the baseline?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So are you saying will confuse players if we tell them they can run the baseline?

They might run to first base.

[JRutledge]

And as I said before, if people are that confused by "end line, base line," they have bigger problems.

I agree you should say the correct things, but this is the vernacular of the game that most players, coaches and fans are going to use. It is OK IMO to speak their language. You start correcting everyone because they did not use the perfect term, you will confuse them even more in many minor situations.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And as I said before, if people are that confused by "end line, base line," they have bigger problems.

I agree you should say the correct things, but this is the vernacular of the game that most players, coaches and fans are going to use. It is OK IMO to speak their language. You start correcting everyone because they did not use the perfect term, you will confuse them even more in many minor situations.

Peace

I agree. Everyone knows exactly what we mean because they use "baseline" too, and it doesn't perpetuate any myths.

I use "end line" but occasionally slip and say "baseline." I've never had anyone say "Where's that?"

If the actual "baseline" in basketball had any real significance, I'd probably have a different opinion, but it doesn't, so I don't.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I agree you should say the correct things.

Wow?