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Travelling Man Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:15pm

Post-Game Cordials...
 
Is it kosher to--after the completion of a competitive game--to make yourself available on the "greeting line" to high-five or shake hands with players and coaches. The reason I ask is because theire is growing trend that after games, the players line up and pass each other by to "brother hug" or "fist bump" as a show of "sportsmanship". However, when a game ends I typically retreat to my seat/chair off the far far side of the court and towel up and rehydrate...then usually some players and a coach will make their way over to say to me "good game ref, you let us play fair". Then I stand and shake they hand and greet them likewise as a show of "sportsmanship"/"cordiality".
So, to keep from seeming "stand off ish" should I just line up in the "greet line" post game and do the same as players?
I certainly do not want to appear aloof---nor do I want to appear ingratiating either.
However, when I see games of tv, at the conclusion the refs are hustling/running off the courst with such urgency and haste as if they are running from a "child support judge".
Any advice is appreciated?

grunewar Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:22pm

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Originally Posted by Travelling Man (Post 900346)
So, to keep from seeming "stand off ish" should I just line up in the "greet line" post game and do the same as players?
I certainly do not want to appear aloof---nor do I want to appear ingratiating either.

Depart and go to your area.

IMO, the competitors are displaying good sportsmanship, and you were not one. You are there to provide a fair environment for them to compete. If a player, coach, parent, etc. wants to come over to your area and shake your hand, acknowledge them and say thank you.

This is how I've been taught and it has served me well.

JRutledge Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:35pm

NO!!!

Peace

stiffler3492 Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:36pm

The standard protocol would be to get off the floor as soon as that final buzzer rings, especially if the game was contentious.

If you're in a situation where you're doing multiple games in a row, then you might not have a choice. I've also found my partner "supervising" the handshake line, and I've joined him just for unity's sake.

That said, I much prefer to be gone at the final buzzer.

bob jenkins Thu Jul 18, 2013 01:27pm

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 900352)
If you're in a situation where you're doing multiple games in a row, then you might not have a choice.

Even then there's almost always the opportunity to go outside to make a phone call, see a man about a horse, check the schedule board, etc.

Travelling Man Thu Jul 18, 2013 01:34pm

OK then I shall heed the collective wisdom that inheres here and continue with my practice of going away to my side of the personal space---of course being cordial if they approach me first.
I will NOT be supervisiong any greet line---as the players already know how to do that and the coaches have that responsibility.
thanks guys, as a woman ref it 's always a struggle to properly balance cordiality with professionalism

JRutledge Thu Jul 18, 2013 01:42pm

First of all you are not the first female officials. There are many that do the same things as the men. The successful ones just approach the game the same as anyone else and do their job. Your job is to officiate, not be everyone's friend or necessarily nice to everyone. Stop using that as an excuse to not do your job or to want to do something else. Yes there will be some different challenges for you as a female, but not as much as you think. And often many advantageous if you officiate women's or girl's basketball.

Peace

HokiePaul Thu Jul 18, 2013 02:52pm

In a scholastic HS game, you are going to want to leave the court immediatly, with your partner(s) at the conclusion on the game so this is not an issue. Lingering around can only get you into trouble, since in a scholastic game you still have jurisdiction over the game until all officials leave the visual confines of the playing area.

It sounds like more of a rec league/youth league issue when you might do several games back to back and you don't have a locker room or other officials area like is standard at the HS level.

Unless your assignor instructs otherwise, I would never participate/supervise the hand shaking line. If I can't get out of the gym right away (as is typical in rec leagues) I just go to the area where my bag is and wait for the next game. If players come find me, I'm polite and shake hands or say thank you/good game/enjoy your summer/etc. But I don't try to make myself available.

BillyMac Thu Jul 18, 2013 04:14pm

Go Sox ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 900373)
In a scholastic HS game, you are going to want to leave the court immediately, with your partner(s) at the conclusion on the game so this is not an issue. Lingering around can only get you into trouble, since in a scholastic game you still have jurisdiction over the game until all officials leave the visual confines of the playing area.

Unless, of course, you officiate in The Bay State, my friendly neighbor to the north. I believe that officials there are required to supervise the handshake line. I also believe that they lack jurisdiction during this time, in other words, no technical fouls, maybe just a report to the state interscholastic athletic association if something goes wrong.

Mark Padgett Thu Jul 18, 2013 04:20pm

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Originally Posted by Travelling Man (Post 900346)
Is it kosher to--after the completion of a competitive game--to make yourself available on the "greeting line" to high-five or shake hands with players and coaches.

Only if you don't mix meat and dairy. ;)

BillyMac Thu Jul 18, 2013 04:59pm

When They Fly ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 900382)
Only if you don't mix meat and dairy.

Hey, Mark Padgett, how's your kosher pig's heart doing?

Mark Padgett Thu Jul 18, 2013 08:10pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 900385)
Hey, Mark Padgett, how's your kosher pig's heart doing?

Actually, not great and I'm having some other medical problems, too. Thanks for asking, though.

JRutledge Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:55am

Mark,

I think I can speak for many of us here. Get well soon and you are in our prayers. Hope you get better soon to be around to annoy us some more. We actually like you more then Billy, so please take care of yourself. :)

Wishing you the best. :D

Peace

BillyMac Fri Jul 19, 2013 06:04am

Warning From The Surgeon General ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 900396)
Actually, not great and I'm having some other medical problems, too. Thanks for asking, though.

Sorry to hear that. We're all pulling for you.

"Warning: Humor may be hazardous to your illness." (Ellie Katz)

Bad Zebra Fri Jul 19, 2013 08:45am

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Originally Posted by Travelling Man (Post 900346)
...So, to keep from seeming "stand off ish" should I just line up in the "greet line" post game and do the same as players?
I certainly do not want to appear aloof---nor do I want to appear ingratiating either.
However, when I see games of tv, at the conclusion the refs are hustling/running off the courst with such urgency and haste as if they are running from a "child support judge".
Any advice is appreciated?

Never a good idea to hang around at the end of ANY level game. As easy as it is to have a player or coach come up to you and thank or compliment you, it's equally as easy for a bitter coach or player to come up to you and give you THEIR thoughts on your skill and abilities (or lack of). Then you're in the middle of a confrontation with very little recourse if anything goes really bad.

Forget about appearing aloof...we SHOULD be aloof. It's easier to be impartial that way. Just head to your area...wait for your partner(s)...but get the he!! out of Dodge as quickly as practical.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Jul 19, 2013 09:00pm

Post-Game Cordials?
 
I thought you meant a post game aperitif. :D

MTD, Sr.

Bad Zebra Fri Jul 19, 2013 09:07pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 900454)
I thought you meant a post game aperitif. :D

MTD, Sr.

Amaretto on the rocks? Nice.

Travelling Man Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:54pm

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 900424)
Never a good idea to hang around at the end of ANY level game. As easy as it is to have a player or coach come up to you and thank or compliment you, it's equally as easy for a bitter coach or player to come up to you and give you THEIR thoughts on your skill and abilities (or lack of). Then you're in the middle of a confrontation with very little recourse if anything goes really bad.

Forget about appearing aloof...we SHOULD be aloof. It's easier to be impartial that way. Just head to your area...wait for your partner(s)...but get the he!! out of Dodge as quickly as practical.

And that's what I observe the refs on tv games to do---the minute the horn sounds they scramble off the court like they are running from a "child support" judge who wants to garnish their game check!
:eek::)

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:04am

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 900455)
Amaretto on the rocks? Nice.


I prefer my di Saronno (only the best for this nice little Italian boy) on the rocks and depending upon the game related stress anywhere for a double to a quadruple double, :p.

MTD, Sr.

AremRed Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:41am

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Originally Posted by Travelling Man (Post 900462)
And that's what I observe the refs on tv games to do---the minute the horn sounds they scramble off the court like they are running from a "child support" judge who wants to garnish their game check!
:eek::)

For in-season games I've heard different things. Some veterans say run/jog off the court. Others say to walk, because running/jogging looks like we want to get away.

bob jenkins Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:59am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 900560)
For in-season games I've heard different things. Some veterans say run/jog off the court. Others say to walk, because running/jogging looks like we want to get away.

They run on TV because the court it often swarmed and they want to get out of potential harms way. Doesn't often happen in the games I do.

Raymond Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 900560)
For in-season games I've heard different things. Some veterans say run/jog off the court. Others say to walk, because running/jogging looks like we want to get away.

I jog to catch up to my partners. I stand and wait if I'm closest to the exit.

Maineac Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:29pm

I run to make sure I'm not within the visual confines of the court after the game....

JRutledge Mon Jul 22, 2013 01:59pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 900560)
For in-season games I've heard different things. Some veterans say run/jog off the court. Others say to walk, because running/jogging looks like we want to get away.

It is honestly situational and where you are located to the exit and even what the security or administration does to get you off the court.

I usually run to get to the exit quicker, but if I am near the exit I might walk. And if you have a game where kids are going to storm the court, then I do whatever I can to get off the court quicker.

There really is no right or wrong way, but the fact they do not give milk and cookies if you stay longer. So get off as quickly as you can and if that means running, run.

Peace

Adam Mon Jul 22, 2013 06:58pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 900587)
It is honestly situation and where you are located to the exit and even what the security or administration does to get you off the court.

I usually run to get to the exit quicker, but if I am near the exit I might walk. And if you have a game where kids are going to storm the court, then I do whatever I can to get off the court quicker.

There really is no right or wrong way, but the fact they do not give milk and cookies if you stay longer. So get off as quickly as you can and if that means running, run.

Peace

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