Summer Ball
 

One coach thinks we're pathetic.

Parent from the other team says he's a college official and I need "to learn."

And I missed part of Father's Day for this.

Sounds a bit like my day too, just smile and ignore...

College Referee ?????
 

Any parent that says he is a college official and criticizes another official is a joke !!!!!

He obviously meant that he officiated intramurals when he was in school.

Forget a parent, any official who would openly criticize another official like that is a joke.

Ask him what league he works for...tell him you need to know so you can let his assigner know what a horse's a** he is in the stands.

Like Grandma Used To Say, If You Don't Have Something Nice To Say About Someone .....
 

Agree 100%.

I had a better one for you. I had a "high school official" that worked the table at an AAU tournament and did not understand why we kept awarding baskets on a shooting foul when the player started their motion to the basket and were not in the air. BTW, me and my partner both work college ball and were calling it the same all day.

And some people want all rules to be the exact same at all levels? ;)

Peace

Unless I'm missing something in your description, that rule *is* the same at all levels.

I know that. You know that. But did this "High School Official" (as he described it) know that? ;)

Peace

Your argument makes no sense whatsoever. But why let that stop you now.

There may be something Jeff is leaving out, such as the guy saying "this isn't the NBA."

I doubt it. His point is that since some people (even officials) can't get one rule set right, it is OK to have multiple rule sets which creates even more confusion. How that is a good thing, is beyond me. If there are people that can't keep one straight, how does he expect it to be better when people have to keep 3-4 straight?

His point is that even when the rules are the same officials are confused or just plain don't know the rules so quit all the whining about different rule sets.


And I'm saying a good official knows multiple rule sets if he/she is working different levels. And a coach should know the rules that apply to his games. And I don't care dif fans are confused.

We have a winner!!!!

Sad to say but this happens in gyms all over the country and to all levels of officials..state playoff, college and rookies subject to this...nature of the beast!

Actually is was funny that the guy claimed to be a high school official and did not know a basic rule that he would have to apply. I will admit that I am making a larger point that you tried to suggest that all rules should not be different, but that was not the case in this conversation. And the conversation was more extensive then I mentioned. He literally was claiming you could not apply continuous motion when a player started his motion on the floor or in the manner my partner and me were applying the rules.

And truth be told most of us only have to apply 1 or 2 at most. And if you are doing pro rules an a regular basis, you probably are not doing high school rules most of the time.

Peace

Whining? Interesting choice of words...

I could care less whether rulesets are common or different. We get paid to know the rules for the gym we are working in that evening.

But to bring that discussion into Adam's thread is unnecessary. And to call someone else's opinion on it "whining" is stooping to the same level that the "college official" in Adam's OP stooped to.

Who's whining? I'm not. I'm just saying the with more differences in the rules it can only lead to even more people being mixed up, officials included. It can't make it better. It would only make the environment of basketball for all involved if there were fewer differences.

There are not very many differences. At least not when you compare basketball to other sports for sure.

Peace

Agree
 

I donated 6 games for a memorial tournament last month...the abuse level was off the charts. (age group was ex-jocks in their 20's) add the co-ed flavor and alcohol factor, I'm left thinking...never again. Too bad, really, because the tournament is a benefit.

He'll Take The Fifth ...
 

About thirty years ago, I regularly worked a high school boys recreation league in a small town. There were only five teams in the league and they played on Thursday nights. With an odd number of teams, one team would play twice that night. Game #1: A vs. B. Game #2: C vs. D. Game # 3: E vs. A. Every week one team of high school age boys would have to hang around, usually in the parking lot, for about an hour between their two assigned games. Anybody want to guess what high school age boys are going to do with an hour to kill in a dark parking lot on a Thursday night? Lot's of technical fouls, ejections (we actually ejected players out of the gymnasium back then) and a few forfeits, in that third game. That was the first, and last, year that I worked that recreation league. Amazing what a little bit of CH3CH2OH will do to a player.

Let the games begin!
 

I start my summer league in two weeks. Just got my schedule. I do the B16-18 yr olds and have reffed these kids since they were "wee little lads."

Usually a good league with no issues. Hope my luck continues this season! :p

Exactly why I no longer do summer games. It isn't worth the hassle.

grunewar's Way, Or The Highway ...
 

Obviously, you have set the correct tone.

Worked some crap-ass HS shootout this past weekend because it was assigned by one of the college assignors I work for and he expects you to work at least one day at one of the many HS shootouts he assigns every summer. One of the schools has a new coach. He is a young guy and this is his first head coaching experience at varsity level so he is a little wound up and kind of excitable. He is questioning lots of calls and acting like this is the state playoffs rather than the glorified practice that it is. They are getting drilled by 30 late in the second half when a player from the other team comes flying out of nowhere for an amazing two hand follow up dunk on a missed shot. I was trail and it was probably basket interference, but taking into account it is summer, games dont mean anything, score at the time, and just the plain awesome nature of the play, I decide not to wave the basket off. The coach starts jumping up and down complaining about goaltending. So I go over there and tell him relax it is a summer league game there isnt any reason to get all worked up. He says it was GT, I tell him the ball was out of the cylinder. He wants to keep arguing and eventually says it is my opinion the ball is out of the cylinder. Finally, ive had enough so I respond to him that if he wanted his opinion to matter, he should have become a referee instead of a coach. I think it stunned him into silence. The only good thing about these worthless summer games is the level of professionalism expected from us is so much lower than the regular season we can actually respond to these idiot coaches in ways that we never can when the games matter.

That to would make me more likely to call it, not ignore it. Why let the team that is getting drilled get embarrassed by an illegal play? No good can come from that.

Wow...what would you have done if that would have sent him over the edge. You didn't call a violation against the other team when his team was getting embarrased because you thought it was an awesome play. Then you bait him (in my opinion) with that smart-a...err, that comment.

You got away with it...so I guess there was no real harm. Luckily for your partner he did start tearing into him after you set the stage.

Just my opinions.

Exactly, and the same goes for the smart-ass comment at the end of a conversation that lasted way too long. Let the coach tell you what he saw, tell him you disagree and it's time to move on. That's the longest you should get, IMO, on this play. Don't be surprised if your college assigner is paying attention to how you respond to coaches in this situation.

And again, I agree that it seems like you probably should have called the BI.

Is this post something you are proud of?

Summer time it the time I call everything. I do not miss on a violation or foul if it is obvious ever. It is better for the players and coaches to learn now then during the season. And the clock is running too in the vast cases so it gives us time to "rest" honestly when we blow the whistle.

Peace

Last night, varsity girls summer league. A1 gets held in the paint, as we're (double whistle on this one) blowing whistles, she starts flailing a bit and starts to square off before backing off on her own.

After the players are separated, I start to walk towards the coach to ask him to talk to her. Before I get there, I hear "I have a sub at the table. But she was being held and just protecting herself." As I was saying, "Coach, we got the foul, she doesn't need to protect herself," I was thinking, "I should have just called the T."

That attitude was apparently part of the team dynamic, though, as we ended up giving one to a different player later.

It's Summertime ...
 

How is this statement worthy of a technical foul? I feel like I need some background.

He isn't there and doesn't care as long as there are two people there. He knows the coaches around here can be complete dumbasses in the summer. He knows we are not even getting half of a regular game fee to work the game, and he knows it is nothing more than a glorified practice with the teams missing many if not all of their best players. Most importantly, I have worked HS and college for him long enough so that he knows exactly how I handle coaches when it actually matters.

It most certainly is. As I said, the games are absolutely meaningless.

That statement isn't. The player's behavior was close, and I decided to give the coach the chance to deal with it instead. That's the choice I regret.

Perhaps they are meaningless to you, and a chore to work. However, I suggest you exercise some humbleness by realizing that these games can mean a lot to the coaches, players, and fans. No matter the level, treat every game as important -- that is part of our professionalism as officials.

I misunderstood your post, my bad. I have heard it said on this forum that the only technicals you regret are the ones you did not call. Hopefully this one won't stick with ya!

They are not totally meaningless. The outcomes are meaningless and no one puts up banners for who wins a summer league or tournament, that is for sure.

But I would not change how I call the game because it is not the regular season. Actually summer is sometimes where we as officials get a reputation. And if we are not able to handle games and officiating them appropriately, we will be seen that way during the season. I would never not call something just because the outcome is not going to be in the paper. ;)

Just my two cents.

Peace

Professionalism ...
 

From my pregame conference: This game is the most important game being played anywhere tonight for these kids, fans, and coaches. Let’s make sure we officiate the game keeping that in mind, through effort, and attitude.

One caveat. Many of us that work "lower level" games will make adjustments in terms of switching on fouls, throwin situations, etc., but these adjustments are made with the approval of the person who assigns these types of games.

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This is why I've never been a "get the coach to help you out with problem players" type. I address players directly and in a manner that everybody in the gym knows what I'm doing. Coaches who care about their players' behavior will ask me what the problem was.