The Official Forum

The Official Forum (https://forum.officiating.com/)
-   Basketball (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/)
-   -   NFHS June 6, 2013 Release ... (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/95270-nfhs-june-6-2013-release.html)

BillyMac Sat Jun 15, 2013 04:57am

NFHS June 6, 2013 Release ...
 
2013-14 BASKETBALL RULES CHANGES

1-19 New The use of electronic devices is permitted during the game.

3-4-2a A single visible manufacturer's logo/trademark/reference is permitted on the team jersey, not to exceed 2 1/4 square inches with no dimension more than 2 1/4 inches. The manufacturer's logo may be located no more than 5 inches below the shoulder seam on the front of the jersey, or 2 inches from the neckline on the back of the jersey; or in either side insert.

3-5-3 Arm and leg compression sleeves shall: .

10-1-3 A team shall not:
a. Use a megaphone or any electronic communication device at courtside, or electronic equipment for voice communication with players on the court.
b. Use electronic audio and /or video devices to review a decision of the contest officials.

10-4-5 Note The head coach may enter the court in the situation where a fight may break out or has broken out to prevent the situation from escalating.

Signal Chart Added a mechanic of a defensive tip (brushing one hand over the other above the head) to indicate the official has ruled the ball entered the backcourt as a result of contact with a defensive player.

COMMENTS ON THE 2013-14 RULES CHANGE

USE OF ELECTRONIC DEVICES (1-19 NEW and 10-1-3): The previous rule was difficult to monitor and enforce by the contest officials. This rule allows the coach to take advantage of electronic tools available for use in coaching and gathering statistics. While in use, the coach must be in compliance with the guidelines that specify that electronic devices may not be used to communicate with the players on the playing floor nor can the devise be used to dispute an official's call.

ADDITIONAL OF A SINGLE MANUFACTURER'S LOGO TO THE JERSEY (3-4-2a): This change would bring basketball in compliance with other NFHS sports that allow the use of a single manufacturer's logo on the jersey of the playing uniform.

LEG COMPRESSION SLEEVE REQUIREMENTS (3-5-3): The specifications for leg compression sleeves were added because of the frequent use of these sleeves for non-medical reasons. The specifications match those of arm compression sleeve. They must be white, beige, or a single solid school color. The sleeve must be the same color for each team member and have only a single manufacturer's logo that does not exceed 2 1/4 square inches. The sleeve must be worn for medical reasons only.

HEAD COACH ENTERING THE PLAYING COURT (10-4-5 NOTE): While the head coach and his/her assistants have an obligation to ensure bench personnel comply with Rule 10-4-5, if a situation develops where a fight either has or may break out, the head coach by his/her presence can be instrumental in preventing the situation from escalating and assisting the game officials in controlling the situation. This change will remove the requirement of the head coach being beckoned onto the floor by the officials in this situation which will result in a more expedient resolution of the situation and restoration of order. The change will also allow the officials a greater opportunity to assess appropriate penalties by being able to observe the situation because of the increased assistance the head coach(es) will provide by their presence.

TIP SIGNAL: This signal increases the official's ability to communicate with the players, coaches and fans on critical plays. Immediately communicating whether or not the defense tipped the ball allows the offensive team to immediately know whether or not they can recover the ball without penalty. Having no signal actually gives the defense an unfair advantage as they do not need to know which team caused the ball to enter the backcourt, they can recover the ball without penalty regardless.

2013-14 BASKETBALL EDITORIAL CHANGES

1-13-2 The coaching box shall be outlined outside the side of the court on which the scorer's and timer's table and team benches are located. The area shall be bounded by a line drawn 14 feet from the end line towards the mid-court. At this point a line drawn from the sideline toward the team bench becomes the end of the coaching box going towards the end line. From this line go another 14 feet towards the mid-court, then a line drawn towards the bench becomes the end of the coaching box closest to mid-court. The coaching box is 14 feet long placed in the middle of the regulation 42 feet long half court. These lines shall be located off the court and be 2 inches wide.

3-5-1 Note Each state association may, in keeping with applicable laws, authorize exceptions to NFHS playing rules to provide reasonable accommodations to individual participants with disabilities and/or special needs, as well as those individuals with unique and extenuating circumstances. The accommodations should not fundamentally alter the sport heighten risk to the athlete/others or place opponents at a disadvantage.

2013 Points of Emphasis

Granting Time-Out – Coaches and officials are reminded of the proper procedures in requesting and granting time-out. Coaches are encouraged to give both a visual signal and verbal request when a requesting time-out. Officials need to know the status of the ball and whether it is in player control. Having a full view of the player in control who is requesting the time-out is critical to determining if you may grant a time-out. It’s vital to know the situation of the game, the proper sequence of calling a time-out, then using proper signals to notify the scorer.

Guidelines to Enforce Illegal Contact - When contact occurs that affects the rhythm, speed, quickness and balance of the player, illegal contact has occurred. When illegal contact occurs, fouls must be called. Officials must not refrain from calling these type of actions that create an advantage for the opponent. Illegal contact must be called regardless of time and score.

Intentional Foul - An intentional foul is a personal or technical foul that may or may not be premeditated and is not based solely on the severity of the act. It is contact that:
- Neutralizes an opponent’s obvious advantageous position.
- Contact on an opponent who is clearly not in the play.
- May be excessive contact.
- Contact that is not necessarily premeditated or based solely on the severity of the act.
This type of foul may be strategic to stop the clock or create a situation that may be tactically done for the team taking action. This foul may be innocent in severity, but without any playing of the ball, it becomes an intentional act such as a player wrapping their arms around an opponent. The act may be excessive in its intensity and force of the action. These actions are all intentional fouls and are to be called as such.

2013-15 Basketball Manual Points of Emphasis

Dead Ball Officiating – See the whole play. See the actions of all players. Don’t react too quickly that you do not see the second action or antics of a player that is inciting an opponent to react. Be aware of the whole situation so to penalize the correct player.

Proper Mechanics and Signals - The use of proper mechanics and signals are imperative to the success of the contest and the officiating team. Proper mechanics and signals will assist in communication to your partners and will aid in the effectiveness of all officials’ calls. Officials need to continue to study, emphasize and practice proper mechanics and signals with your partners and reviewing these items in a thorough pre-game conference. This will assist the crew of officials in their game preparation and performing their duties as a cohesive unit. Officials are reminded to use non-verbal cues to communicate with your partners and assist them in their efforts. Use only proper NFHS approved mechanics and signals, enforce the rules of the level being played and call the game accordingly.

grunewar Sat Jun 15, 2013 06:14am

Thanks Billy. Gets me back into the mind set and wanting to get back on the court.......

Leg sleeves.....how much longer until they get to the socks????

BillyMac Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:43am

Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 897497)
How much longer until they get to the socks????

Bite your tongue.

JRutledge Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 897497)
Thanks Billy. Gets me back into the mind set and wanting to get back on the court.......

Leg sleeves.....how much longer until they get to the socks????

They already did that like in 97 or 98, trying to regulate logos and size of the logos. They got rid of that the very next year. I do not see that happening again.

Peace

BillyMac Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:50am

Ignore The Eight Hundred Pound T-Word In The Room ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 897497)
How much longer until they get to the socks????

Very long socks, any color, or two different colors, that go up past the bottom of the shorts? Very long white, beige, or a single solid school color, leg compression sleeves, same color for each team member, that start under the socks and go up past the bottom of the shorts?

JetMetFan Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 897497)
Thanks Billy. Gets me back into the mind set and wanting to get back on the court.......

Leg sleeves.....how much longer until they get to the socks????

You mean like this in the NCAA Rule Book?

NCAA 3-8-1
A single manufacturer’s or distributor’s normal logo, label or trademark meeting the size restrictions of 3-8.2 is permitted once on the game jersey, once on the game pants and once on all other items of apparel excluding the undershirt.


Yes, that includes socks and yes I've heard of it being enforced (i.e., players being told to roll their socks down so both manufacturers' logos aren't showing). And yes, it's not a well-liked rule.

BillyMac Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:03pm

Sock It To Me ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 897516)
... players being told to roll their socks down so both manufacturers' logos aren't showing.

Wouldn't they have to only roll one sock down?

BillyMac Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:49pm

Head In The Sand ...
 
Why not just allow tights, but put them under color, and logo, restrictions like other commonly worn player equipment?

Multiple Sports Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:52pm

Talkin to yourself ??????
 
BM - You can't start a thread and then have 80% of the posts.......;););)

BillyMac Sat Jun 15, 2013 01:01pm

How Else Will I Get Enough Posts To Become An Esteemed Forum Member ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 897521)
BM - You can't start a thread and then have 80% of the posts.

Blame grunewar. He got me started.

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 897497)
Leg sleeves, how much longer until they get to the socks?

Sorry guys. I've had my catharsis. I'm alright now. I'm sorry that I had to put all of you through that.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5251/5...ca118730_m.jpg

OK folks. Show's over. Move along. Nothing to see here.

BillyMac Sat Jun 15, 2013 01:05pm

It's A Free Country ...
 
As I used to try to tell my parents, all the time. For some reason, it never worked.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 897521)
BM - You can't start a thread and then have 80% of the posts.

Who says?

Camron Rust Sat Jun 15, 2013 01:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 897494)
2013-14 BASKETBALL RULES CHANGES

TIP SIGNAL: This signal increases the official's ability to communicate with the players, coaches and fans on critical plays. Immediately communicating whether or not the defense tipped the ball allows the offensive team to immediately know whether or not they can recover the ball without penalty. Having no signal actually gives the defense an unfair advantage as they do not need to know which team caused the ball to enter the backcourt, they can recover the ball without penalty regardless.

That is fundamentally stupid. The offense doesn't deserve the extra help because they are the ones that lost control of the ball...probably through a bad pass. We're supposed to judge the legality of the players' actions, not help them in their actions.

Are we to give the tip when the ball is heading OOB so one team or the other can know they don't have to save the ball?

Are we also going to yell out when the ball handler is getting close to a boundary line so they don't step OOB???

JRutledge Sat Jun 15, 2013 01:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 897524)
That is fundamentally stupid. The offense doesn't deserved the extra help because they are the ones that lost control of the ball...probably through a bad pass.

Are we to give the tip when the ball is heading OOB so one team or the other know they don't have to save the ball?

Are we also going to yell out when the ball handler is getting close to a boundary line so they don't OOB???

I think the signal is really for your partner, not anyone else. Any signal that gives information IMO is not really a bad thing. It is like the kicked signal we used for years and then the NF finally recognized we had to tell people why we called a violation.

Peace

BillyMac Sat Jun 15, 2013 04:58pm

One Time That I Glad That I Use IAABO Mechanics ...,
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 897525)
I think the signal is really for your partner, not anyone else.

Not according to the NFHS: "This signal increases the official's ability to communicate with the players, coaches and fans on critical plays".

JRutledge Sat Jun 15, 2013 06:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 897535)
Not according to the NFHS: "This signal increases the official's ability to communicate with the players, coaches and fans on critical plays".

I know what they said, but that is not the real benefit of the signal and not the reason officials used the signal in the first place. Officials were using this signal long before the NF approved it.

Peace

JetMetFan Sun Jun 16, 2013 01:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 897518)
Wouldn't they have to only roll one sock down?

The rule applies to each item of clothing. Since most socks have two logos both have to be rolled down. That's why those Nike Elite basketball socks started popping up. If you notice, each sock only has one logo so they're legal in the NCAA.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2v8hbh2.jpg

BillyMac Sun Jun 16, 2013 05:35am

Semantics, Shemantics ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 897550)
The rule applies to each item of clothing.

So a single pair of socks is considered to be two items of clothing. Interesting. Sometimes it's good to be just a high school official.

JetMetFan: FYI, spell check changes "JetMetFan" to "Comedian". Also interesting.

Multiple Sports Sun Jun 16, 2013 06:43am

9 for 18 ??????
 
You have 50% of the posts on this site....

Kinda like missing a lay up 5 times to pad your rebound your stats.....And then making the 6th shot....

grunewar Sun Jun 16, 2013 09:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 897555)
Kinda like missing a lay up 5 times to pad your rebound your stats.....And then making the 6th shot....

Yeah, but it messes up your shooting percentage! ;)

Multiple Sports Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:28am

BM's percentages of good posts is pretty low.......

He is a subscriber to quantity over quality.....

JetMetFan Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:17am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 897554)
So a single pair of socks is considered to be two items of clothing. Interesting. Sometimes it's good to be just a high school official.

JetMetFan: FYI, spell check changes "JetMetFan" to "Comedian". Also interesting.

With the teams I support I have to laugh to avoid crying.

This is the least-enforced of the fashion police rules I can think of. My supervisor reminds us to remind the teams again in February, especially those that might advance to the NCAAs. That way they don't get any surprises in March.

Camron Rust Sun Jun 16, 2013 08:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 897541)
I know what they said, but that is not the real benefit of the signal and not the reason officials used the signal in the first place. Officials were using this signal long before the NF approved it.

Peace

That may be the way you're using it but they're pretty much telling us to help the players play.

The kick signal you referred to above was used after the whistle to communicate what the call was. It was not an aide to the player while the ball was still in play.

billyu2 Sun Jun 16, 2013 09:48pm

Originally Posted by BillyMac
2013-14 BASKETBALL RULES CHANGES

TIP SIGNAL: This signal increases the official's ability to communicate with the players, coaches and fans on critical plays. Immediately communicating whether or not the defense tipped the ball allows the offensive team to immediately know whether or not they can recover the ball without penalty. Having no signal actually gives the defense an unfair advantage as they do not need to know which team caused the ball to enter the backcourt, they can recover the ball without penalty regardless.

Why should that matter to the offense? They still need to be the first to recover the ball to prevent an easy score by the opponent regardless of whether the ball was tipped or not.

just another ref Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:13am

How does a tip signal help the offense? As stated above, if the ball is loose in the backcourt, the offense will try to go and get it whether it is a violation or not. The main value I see is to keep some partners I could name from calling a violation right in front of me from 60 feet away. It might also keep the 3 knowledgeable fans in the house from yelling for a violation. The other 300 will yell for it anyway.

Camron Rust Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:25am

Quote:

Originally Posted by billyu2 (Post 897615)
Why should that matter to the offense? They still need to be the first to recover the ball to prevent an easy score by the opponent regardless of whether the ball was tipped or not.

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 897618)
How does a tip signal help the offense? As stated above, if the ball is loose in the backcourt, the offense will try to go and get it whether it is a violation or not. The main value I see is to keep some partners I could name from calling a violation right in front of me from 60 feet away. It might also keep the 3 knowledgeable fans in the house from yelling for a violation. The other 300 will yell for it anyway.

The offense can choose to get it immediately or to get into a position to either defend if the can or perhaps let the opponent touch it first then try to get it.

I think the signal should NOT be immediate but only upon someone touching it if it wasn't obvious. Any moment before that and we're influencing the actual play.

just another ref Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 897619)
The offense can choose to get it immediately or to get into a position to either defend if they can......

Getting it immediately gives the offense the opportunity to get all players back to defend. I've never seen a player ignore a chance to touch the ball to hurry back to a defensive position instead.


Quote:



.......or perhaps let the opponent touch it first then try to get it.
Not gonna say it never happens, but this is a really bad idea.


Quote:

I think the signal should NOT be immediate but only upon someone touching it if it wasn't obvious.

In my experience this is the way the signal is used, and probably will continue to be.

Camron Rust Mon Jun 17, 2013 02:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 897620)
Getting it immediately gives the offense the opportunity to get all players back to defend. I've never seen a player ignore a chance to touch the ball to hurry back to a defensive position instead.

I have. I've seen players hover over the ball as it rolled towards the backcourt endline. Only when a defender approached did they grab it. They thought they had touched it last and expected a violation but I'm guessing they wanted to let the clock run just a bit longer. If I were to indicate tip, that would be a signal to them that it was safe to pick up the ball. Is that really fair? Shouldn't they have to play based on what they see and hear instead of looking to us for information?

BillyMac Mon Jun 17, 2013 06:06am

Hot Potato ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 897621)
I've seen players hover over the ball as it rolled towards the backcourt endline.

Me too, in little kid's games. They know that it's wrong to touch the ball first, so they hover, waiting for an opportunity to scoop up the ball after it's been touched by an opponent. I've seen this dozens of times, as a young player, a middle school coach, and an official, and I've never, ever, seen it work.

grunewar Mon Jun 17, 2013 06:19am

Now that you mention it.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 897625)
I've never, ever, seen it work.

Me neither.

billyu2 Mon Jun 17, 2013 06:20am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 897619)
The offense can choose to get it immediately or to get into a position to either defend if they can or perhaps let the opponent touch it first then try to get it.

I think the signal should NOT be immediate but only upon someone touching it if it wasn't obvious. Any moment before that and we're influencing the actual play.

Most likely the O-player will make that decision based on who he thinks has the best possibility to get to the ball and not on our signal/no signal (which he may not even notice anyway.) I'm not totally opposed to the mechanic, I just think the rationale is weak and, that it might encourage some officials to expand its use to other situations (such as blocked shots) which we have always discouraged.

grunewar Mon Jun 17, 2013 06:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by billyu2 (Post 897627)
Most likely the O-player will make that decision based on who he thinks has the best possibility to get to the ball and not on our signal/no signal (which he may not even notice anyway.) I'm not totally opposed to the mechanic, I just think the rationale is weak and, that it might encourage some officials to expand its use to other situations (such as blocked shots) which we have always discouraged.

It may be more likely that others in the gym are more likely to see the signal (partners, coaches, fans, and other players) than the one ot two players going after the ball.......

billyu2 Mon Jun 17, 2013 08:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 897629)

It may be more likely that others in the gym are more likely to see the signal (partners, coaches, fans, and other players) than the one or two players going after the ball.......



"This signal increases the official's ability to communicate with the players, coaches and fans on critical plays." (period)

Right. What you said and the NFHS statement above is sufficient. To me, the rest of the verbiage is what I felt to be weak.

Camron Rust Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 897625)
...and I've never, ever, seen it work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 897626)
Me neither.

I've seen it in HS varsity. And to the point of letting the clock run, I've seen it work. Why not get 3-4 more seconds off the clock with a 4 point lead with 30 seconds to go. But if they knew they could pick it up, they would. I don't like that advantage.

Raymond Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:26am

A visible count also gives information, so what's the big deal?

grunewar Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 897645)
Why not get 3-4 more seconds off the clock with a 4 point lead with 30 seconds to go.

IMO - under the pressure of a game situation, I don't think a lot of players are that "basketball smart."

Camron Rust Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 897652)
A visible count also gives information, so what's the big deal?

Do you tell them what the count is or yell pass it when you get to 4?

JetMetFan Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 897645)
I've seen it in HS varsity. And to the point of letting the clock run, I've seen it work. Why not get 3-4 more seconds off the clock with a 4 point lead with 30 seconds to go. But if they knew they could pick it up, whey would. I don't like that advantage.

I've seen it too. Either this past season or in '11-12 I had a BV player ask me whether he could touch the ball as he was running into the backcourt. The kid let it keep rolling since I didn't answer him...and let the defender pick up the ball. After his coach yelled at him he said "but the ref didn't tell me whether I could pick it up!" Happily, his coach told him he should have picked it up regardless.

Raymond Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 897658)
Do you tell them what the count is or yell pass it when you get to 4?

Do you yell out "tipped ball"?

JRutledge Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 897599)
That may be the way you're using it but they're pretty much telling us to help the players play.

The kick signal you referred to above was used after the whistle to communicate what the call was. It was not an aide to the player while the ball was still in play.

I have never been under the impression that any of the players directly involved in the play even knows what we are signaling or doing. Usually the play happens so fast that if we are going to call a violation there is no time to give this signal in the first place. I have given the signal when I was telling others why I was not calling a violation, but that is rather rare.

Peace

Raymond Mon Jun 17, 2013 01:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 897665)
I have never been under the impression that any of the players directly involved in the play even knows what we are signaling or doing. Usually the play happens so fast that if we are going to call a violation there is no time to give this signal in the first place. I have given the signal when I was telling others why I was not calling a violation, but that is rather rare.

Peace

A player chasing a basketball rarely turns his head to see if the official is giving some kind of signal ;)

JRutledge Mon Jun 17, 2013 01:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 897666)
A player chasing a basketball rarely turns his head to see if the official is giving some kind of signal ;)

An offensive player is racing for the ball to prevent an easy basket as well, which is usually the case in these situations.

Peace

Camron Rust Mon Jun 17, 2013 01:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 897664)
Do you yell out "tipped ball"?

Fair enough. Let me rephrase....

When you count, to you indicate the count you are on with your fingers so they can see how far into the count you are?

JRutledge Mon Jun 17, 2013 01:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 897668)
Fair enough. Let me rephrase....

When you count, to you indicate the count you are on with your fingers so they can see how far into the count you are?

You make it sound like people are actually paying that close attention to us in the first place. Sorry, they do not. I have called closely guarded violations and my signal is rather deliberate and teams are often surprised when the violation by me is called. You are giving players too much credit for watching what we are doing. Usually a coach is the one yelling out that we started a count (In my experience) and that is when the ball is isolated and not moving near the division line.

Peace

Raymond Mon Jun 17, 2013 01:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 897668)
Fair enough. Let me rephrase....

When you count, to you indicate the count you are on with your fingers so they can see how far into the count you are?

Me, personally, no. But I've met some officials who do. Also some who count out loud.

I think this is a whole bunch ado about nothing. Most times the tip signal is given immediately as information to whomever is looking. It's not like we're continously giving the signal until the ball is recovered or like a player turns to us as the ball is rolling away then we give the signal in response.

Camron Rust Mon Jun 17, 2013 01:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 897670)

I think this is a whole bunch ado about nothing.

I agree...there was no problem that needed fixing. The only thing that I take issue with is the NFHS's stated purpose that it is intended to communicate to the players...not that they'll actually be able to see it and use the info. It just doesn't make sense.

BillyMac Mon Jun 17, 2013 06:25pm

He's Counting ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 897666)
A player chasing a basketball rarely turns his head to see if the official is giving some kind of signal.

Sometimes they'll (offense, or defense) take a peek out of the corner of their eye to see if the official is counting for a closely guarded situation.

AremRed Mon Jun 17, 2013 07:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 897670)
Most times the tip signal is given immediately as information to whomever is looking.

I think this signal is for the coaches. If a coach is expecting a back-court violation, the tip signal given by one or even two officials lets him know why no call is being made.

Camron Rust Tue Jun 18, 2013 01:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 897697)
I think this signal is for the coaches. If a coach is expecting a back-court violation, the tip signal given by one or even two officials lets him know why no call is being made.

That could always have been done after it is picked up.

amusedofficial Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 897621)
Shouldn't they have to play based on what they see and hear instead of looking to us for information?

Bingo.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:52am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1