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APG Thu Jun 06, 2013 08:19pm

NBA Finals
 
Game 1:

Crew Chief: Monty McCutchen
Referee 1: Tony Brothers
Referee 2: Jason Phillips (Congrats on his first appearance)
Alternate: Bill Kennedy

AremRed Thu Jun 06, 2013 08:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 896835)
Game 1:

Crew Chief: Monty McCutchen
Referee 1: Tony Brothers
Referee 2: Jason Phillips (1st appearance I believe)
Alternate: Bill Kennedy

What did you think of Tony's block/charge call APG?

APG Thu Jun 06, 2013 08:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 896836)
What did you think of that Tony's block/charge call APG?

I thought it was a charge. I think Steve Javie had it right when he said the lead had the best look at the play.

Raymond Fri Jun 07, 2013 07:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 896837)
I thought it was a charge. I think Steve Javie had it right when he said the lead had the best look at the play.

Would be nice to know what play and and what result you 2 are talking about. :)

APG Fri Jun 07, 2013 01:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 896851)
Would be nice to know what play and and what result you 2 are talking about. :)

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Raymond Fri Jun 07, 2013 02:30pm

Good call based on NBA rules

APG Fri Jun 07, 2013 02:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 896882)
Good call based on NBA rules

I disagree...I thought he got to the spot right before the upward motion by Wade. Steve Javie was asked about this call right after it happened, and though he didn't come right out and say it was wrong, he didn't say it was the right call and said the lead had a better look at the play (at least IMO implying the call was incorrect w/o flat out saying it).

Nevadaref Fri Jun 07, 2013 06:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 896883)
I disagree...I thought he got to the spot right before the upward motion by Wade. Steve Javie was asked about this call right after it happened, and though he didn't come right out and say it was wrong, he didn't say it was the right call and said the lead had a better look at the play (at least IMO implying the call was incorrect w/o flat out saying it).

What you have written will now be the debate on block/charge plays at the NCAA level. There will not be any more clarity, just a different point of contention.

Adam Fri Jun 07, 2013 06:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by nevadaref (Post 896894)
what you have written will now be the debate on block/charge plays at the ncaa level. There will not be any more clarity, just a different point of contention.

+1

Raymond Fri Jun 07, 2013 08:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 896883)
I disagree...I thought he got to the spot right before the upward motion by Wade. Steve Javie was asked about this call right after it happened, and though he didn't come right out and say it was wrong, he didn't say it was the right call and said the lead had a better look at the play (at least IMO implying the call was incorrect w/o flat out saying it).

I got Duncan still with his right foot in the air when D-Wade's starts his upward motion.

JetMetFan Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 896894)
What you have written will now be the debate on block/charge plays at the NCAA level. There will not be any more clarity, just a different point of contention.

Well, it's not official yet but remember to blame this one on NCAAM :)

At any rate, I was going to say the same thing. It'll be interesting to watch the kinks worked out of this one next season assuming the rule change is adopted.

Multiple Sports Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:44pm

Outside this debatable play, I thought these guys were consistent and worked well together......

canuckrefguy Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 896898)
I got Duncan still with his right foot in the air when D-Wade's starts his upward motion.

+1

Block - close, but block. Great call. Javie's right that Lead has a better look, but still a great call.

BktBallRef Sat Jun 08, 2013 02:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 896898)
I got Duncan still with his right foot in the air when D-Wade's starts his upward motion.

Agreed.

AremRed Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:47am

Game 2:

Crew Chief: Joe Crawford
Referee 1: Ed Malloy
Referee 2: Ken Mauer
Alternate: Marc Davis

Bonus fact: Game 1 was the first Finals game in 10 years that had zero three (or four)-point plays where the shooter was fouled and still made the shot. The last time there were zero in a game was in the 2003 Finals, game 2. Source.

BillyMac Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:23am

Stupid Monkeys ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 896959)
First Finals game in 10 years that had zero three (or four) point plays where the shooter was fouled and still made the shot.

And I'd bet my house that at least one player, fan, coach, or television viewer, yelled, "And one", at some point during the game.

OKREF Sun Jun 09, 2013 02:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 896959)
Game 2:

Crew Chief: Joe Crawford
Referee 1: Ed Malloy
Referee 2: Ken Mauer
Alternate: Marc Davis

Bonus fact: Game 1 was the first Finals game in 10 years that had zero three (or four)-point plays where the shooter was fouled and still made the shot. The last time there were zero in a game was in the 2003 Finals, game 2. Source.



Bonus fact 2: Joey Crawford was on the court the only 2 times LBJ has fouled of a playoff game, and he also tossed Tim Duncan for laughing at him. Was suspended the rest of the year for not being professional, when he tossed Duncan.

canuckrefguy Sun Jun 09, 2013 08:29pm

Oooh, Javie just threw Joey Crawford under the bus on a B/C call....

(for the record, I agree with Javie :D)

AremRed Sun Jun 09, 2013 09:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy (Post 896984)
Oooh, Javie just threw Joey Crawford under the bus on a B/C call....

(for the record, I agree with Javie :D)

Joey has not had a great game. However, I liked that call. I thought LeBron had started his upward motion with the ball before Green had established legal guarding position.

AremRed Tue Jun 11, 2013 08:08pm

Game 3:

Crew Chief: Danny Crawford
Referee 1: James Capers
Referee 2: Marc Davis
Alternate: Bill Kennedy

Multiple Sports Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:17pm

Thought it was interesting that Kurt Rambis said this afternoon that this was a very "quiet" crew. The regular fan wouldn't realize they were there....thought he was taking a shot at Joey and maybe Foster, whom I'm sure will be the CC in game 4....

Raymond Wed Jun 12, 2013 09:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 897207)
...thought he was taking a shot at Joey and maybe Foster, whom I'm sure will be the CC in game 4....

I don't know, Scott's really busy with his girl's AAU team, does he have time to make it San Antonio?

Adam Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 897227)
I don't know, Scott's really busy with his girl's AAU team, does he have time to make it San Antonio?

He might if he doesn't slow the game down with any unnecessary game interrupting technical fouls.

JRutledge Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 897207)
Thought it was interesting that Kurt Rambis said this afternoon that this was a very "quiet" crew. The regular fan wouldn't realize they were there....thought he was taking a shot at Joey and maybe Foster, whom I'm sure will be the CC in game 4....

More reason not to pay any attention to commentators that know little to nothing about officiating. Mark Davis was involved in ejecting Rondo from a playoff game a season ago. And this series is not as contentious or has the same dead ball challenges. This is why commentators need to stay in their lane. Players dictate how they react to things, not necessarily the officials.

Peace

APG Thu Jun 13, 2013 05:47pm

Game 4

Crew Chief: Scott Foster
Referee 1: Mike Callahan
Referee 2: Bill Kennedy
Alternate: Jason Phillips

AremRed Thu Jun 13, 2013 09:23pm

Didn't think this deserved its own thread, so I'll put this here.

NBA considers review of block, charge calls | NBA.com

BktBallRef Thu Jun 13, 2013 09:38pm

Personally, I think the officiating has been very good. There will always be calls to discuss but for the most part, these guys have stayed out of the way. They're letting them play. Technical fouls have been non-existent.

BTW, great wave off on Bosh's dunk at the end of the 1st half.

AremRed Thu Jun 13, 2013 09:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 897375)
BTW, great wave off on Bosh's dunk at the end of the 1st half.

What made the wave-off 'great'??

canuckrefguy Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 897375)
Personally, I think the officiating has been very good. There will always be calls to discuss but for the most part, these guys have stayed out of the way. They're letting them play. Technical fouls have been non-existent.

I was thinking much the same thing; the officiating's been top-notch - consistent and sharp. Therefore bench and player decorum has been a non-issue.

APG Fri Jun 14, 2013 05:25pm

Chris Bosh has been fined $5,000 dollars for violating the league's anti-flopping during game 4.

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JugglingReferee Sat Jun 15, 2013 02:55am

Good call. Good fine.

bob jenkins Sat Jun 15, 2013 07:52am

Probably was still a foul, too.

canuckrefguy Sat Jun 15, 2013 03:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 897503)
Probably was still a foul, too.

Hmm, not so sure about that. tough physical rebounding play, but not sure that's an NBA foul.

bob jenkins Sat Jun 15, 2013 08:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy (Post 897532)
Hmm, not so sure about that. tough physical rebounding play, but not sure that's an NBA foul.

This wasn't a "rebounding play." It was an illegal screen on help defense during an opposite-side drive to the basket.

canuckrefguy Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 897542)
This wasn't a "rebounding play." It was an illegal screen on help defense during an opposite-side drive to the basket.

Sorry bob, misspoke myself - you're correct - but still don't think it was a foul.

APG Sun Jun 16, 2013 06:49pm

Game 5:

Crew Chief: Monty McCutchen
Referee 1: Tony Brothers
Referee 2: Ed Malloy
Alternate: James Capers

Raymond Sun Jun 16, 2013 07:45pm

Looks like it will be Scotty Foster as CC if there is a game 7.

bainsey Sun Jun 16, 2013 07:52pm

Game five, second quarter, 10:13 left...

Whatcha got?

APG Sun Jun 16, 2013 08:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 897596)
Looks like it will be Scotty Foster as CC if there is a game 7.

It'll be Joe or Dan Crawford as CC IMO...I'm interested in who they'll have as CC for game 6. If they keep Joe or Dan out for that game, then you'll have Joe and Crawford in game 7 and more than likely Foster as the third. The last game 7 in the NBA Finals in 2010 had the same crew.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 897597)
Game five, second quarter, 10:13 left...

Whatcha got?

There's nothing on the play-by-play at this mark. I'm going to take a wild guess and say you're asking about the RA block/charge that was called a charge by Ed Malloy at the lead?

Camron Rust Sun Jun 16, 2013 08:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 897597)
Game five, second quarter, 10:13 left...

Whatcha got?

Baked potato.

AremRed Sun Jun 16, 2013 08:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 897598)
It'll be Joe or Dan Crawford as CC IMO...I'm interested in who they'll have as CC for game 6. If they keep Joe or Dan out for that game, then you'll have Joe and Crawford in game 7 and more than likely Foster as the third. The last game 7 in the NBA Finals in 2010 had the same crew.

Makes sense, because Joey has worked every Finals game 7 since 1988. However, Joey's history with the Spurs may be a factor. We shall see.

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 897598)
There's nothing on the play-by-play at this mark. I'm going to take a wild guess and say you're asking about the RA block/charge that was called a charge by Ed Malloy at the lead?

There is nothing on the play-by-play because he is talking about a block/charge no-call involving Shane Battier defending Kawhi Leonard.

The RA play you are thinking of happens at 9:19, second quarter.

tomegun Mon Jun 17, 2013 02:17pm

I didn't know about Joey Crawford's history with game 7; I thought he may work game 6. I think Callahan may work game 6.

I think Callahan easily leads the league in pointing. He points for everything and several times.

Raymond Mon Jun 17, 2013 03:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 897678)
I didn't know about Joey Crawford's history with game 7; I thought he may work game 6. I think Callahan may work game 6.

I think Callahan easily leads the league in pointing. He points for everything and several times.

Crawford's next game with be his 50th. Far and away the most Finals games in NBA history.

Save to say 4 of the next 6 officials are Joey C., Callahan, Danny C., & Foster.

tomegun Mon Jun 17, 2013 05:25pm

Hold on BNR, who said there will be two more games? :D

Multiple Sports Mon Jun 17, 2013 06:04pm

I Agree !!!!
 
Go Spurs !!!!!!

Agree with BNR's four.....probably add Mauer.... IMO the 6th is a toss up.....

Rut / Billy Mac / Snackwells / APG. ?????

BillyMac Mon Jun 17, 2013 06:36pm

Basketball Jones, Sometimes ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 897689)
Billy Mac ?????

Sorry, at this point in my life I'm not a big NBA fan. I follow the NBA in spurts. In high school I was a big fan. Then I lost interest. Then, I got interested again with Larry Bird, and Ervin Johnson. Michael Jordon kept my interest a little, and since then, I've kind of lost interest again. I've followed the Celtics since high school (Bill Russell was my favorite player, and still is) but I wouldn't consider myself a real big Celtics fan, it's just that I like them better than the other NBA teams. And, I'm certainly not a fan of NBA officials. I couldn't name one if he was punching me in the face.

I love high school basketball. I love officiating high school basketball. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

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APG Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 897689)
Go Spurs !!!!!!

Agree with BNR's four.....probably add Mauer.... IMO the 6th is a toss up.....

Rut / Billy Mac / Snackwells / APG. ?????

I think the final 6 will be Joe Crawford, Dan Crawford, Scott Foster, Ken Mauer, Mike Callahan, and Bill Kennedy.

I now think that Joe Crawford will be CC for game 6. In that case, I think Dan Crawford will CC game 7 if applicable with Scott Foster being in that game as well.

APG Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 897597)
Game five, second quarter, 10:13 left...

Whatcha got?

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JRutledge Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:10am

I have a PC foul in NCAA or lower for sure. Not sure that is marginal as players went to the floor because of contact.

Peace

Camron Rust Tue Jun 18, 2013 01:32am

It was close. He was only is the path with two feet down in time for the dribber/shooter to take 5-6 more steps. But it was close. ;)

APG Tue Jun 18, 2013 08:15am

Game 6:

Crew Chief: Joe Crawford
Referee 1: Mike Callahan
Referee 2: Ken Mauer
Alternate: Marc Davis

JugglingReferee Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:18am

Game 7 predictions:

Perhaps Dan Crawford, Foster, and Capers or Kennedy?

JRutledge Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:33am

If I am not mistaken, these guys have been the same crew or similar crew the entire playoffs. Like Danny Crawford and Mark Davis (both from Chicago) were on the same crew for at least most of the playoffs. So if Dan Crawford works Game 7, so will Mark Davis. Or at least that has seemed to be the pattern. I guess APG could tell us, but I believe this crew in Game 6 has also worked together most of the playoffs.

Peace

Raymond Tue Jun 18, 2013 01:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 897734)
If I am not mistaken, these guys have been the same crew or similar crew the entire playoffs. Like Danny Crawford and Mark Davis (both from Chicago) were on the same crew for at least most of the playoffs. So if Dan Crawford works Game 7, so will Mark Davis. Or at least that has seemed to be the pattern. I guess APG could tell us, but I believe this crew in Game 6 has also worked together most of the playoffs.

Peace

Callahan and Joey C. are both from Philly.

JRutledge Tue Jun 18, 2013 01:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 897756)
Callahan and Joey C. are both from Philly.

They could not help the 76ers get into the playoffs? Or did that magic machine that makes balls go through the basket not work when the 76ers are playing?

Peace

APG Tue Jun 18, 2013 01:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 897734)
If I am not mistaken, these guys have been the same crew or similar crew the entire playoffs. Like Danny Crawford and Mark Davis (both from Chicago) were on the same crew for at least most of the playoffs. So if Dan Crawford works Game 7, so will Mark Davis. Or at least that has seemed to be the pattern. I guess APG could tell us, but I believe this crew in Game 6 has also worked together most of the playoffs.

Peace

The NBA has gone to a more crew system more so this playoffs than in years past. Dunno if they'll stick to that for a possible game 7.

AremRed Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:34pm

Helluva game. Very tough to officiate. I would like two videos please.

44 seconds left in OT, LeBron James drive, Danny Green strip.

5 seconds left in OT, Manu Ginobili drive, Ray Allen strip.

Rich Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 897798)
Helluva game. Very tough to officiate. I would like two videos please.

44 seconds left in OT, LeBron James drive, Danny Green strip.

5 seconds left in OT, Manu Ginobili drive, Ray Allen strip.

I don't have the video, but I thought the Allen strip was fantastic defense and I'm still trying to find the foul the announcers were wanting.

Multiple Sports Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:55pm

Agree.......

Green play is great defense.....

I think Allen fouls Ginobili...roughly 7 seconds.to go....at worst Heat still has a great chance down 1 with 7 seconds....

JeffM Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:20am

OT plays
 
I liked the no-call with Green/LeBron.

I thought Ginobili traveled before he was fouled. In my opinion, it's hard to reward him for the extra step by sending him to the line.

canuckrefguy Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffM (Post 897806)
I liked the no-call with Green/LeBron.

I thought Ginobili traveled before he was fouled. In my opinion, it's hard to reward him for the extra step by sending him to the line.

+1

Plus, Ginobili's elbow to LBJ's neck should have been F1. It all evens out :D

What a tough game, though. Wonder if the "NCAA's gotten way more physical than the NBA" crowd want to reconsider their answer...

Multiple Sports Wed Jun 19, 2013 01:00am

But Coach Van Gundy said it was a foul........:D:D:D:D

canuckrefguy Wed Jun 19, 2013 01:07am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 897810)
But Coach Van Gundy said it was a foul........:D:D:D:D

I loved it near the end when he's complaining because there's security people "too close to Tim Duncan" on the sideline. Good grief.

Raymond Wed Jun 19, 2013 07:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 897798)
Helluva game. Very tough to officiate. I would like two videos please.

44 seconds left in OT, LeBron James drive, Danny Green strip.

5 seconds left in OT, Manu Ginobili drive, Ray Allen strip.

LBJ/Green play needs no replay. Absolutely a great defensive play by Green and any contact on the play was initiated by LBJ.

We can look at Allen/Manu play again but it was also a good defensive play. Allen had his hand on the ball and the contact came when Manu flailed his arms.

MD Longhorn Wed Jun 19, 2013 08:36am

No opinions on the no-call mugging in the corner for the 3-pointer at the buzzer in OT? (I wish we had more than the 1 angle ESPN kept showing)

HokiePaul Wed Jun 19, 2013 08:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 897827)
No opinions on the no-call mugging in the corner for the 3-pointer at the buzzer in OT? (I wish we had more than the 1 angle ESPN kept showing)

No foul ... The 3rd video in the thread "Game 6 NBA Finals Plays" has two angles, one from the baseline view.

Their block was clean, and there was only minimal (if any) incidental contact with the body that occured after the block.

MathReferee Wed Jun 19, 2013 09:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 897827)
No opinions on the no-call mugging in the corner for the 3-pointer at the buzzer in OT? (I wish we had more than the 1 angle ESPN kept showing)

I don't have anything there. There's body contact, but both players were moving in the same direction and the block up top was solid. Even in my playing days as a shooter, I would not expect a call on a play like that.

Rich Wed Jun 19, 2013 09:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 897827)
No opinions on the no-call mugging in the corner for the 3-pointer at the buzzer in OT? (I wish we had more than the 1 angle ESPN kept showing)

Clean block up top, incidental contact down below, embellished.

I wouldn't call that in a HS game.

I thought the defense on Ginobli was great, too. Got hand in, got ball, contact came after that, much of it initiated by Ginobil.

APG Thu Jun 20, 2013 08:41am

Game 7 Officials:

Crew Chief: Danny Crawford
Referee 1: Scott Foster
Referee 2: Monty McCutchen
Alternate: Tony Brothers

Rich Thu Jun 20, 2013 09:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 897939)
Game 7 Officials:

Crew Chief: Danny Crawford
Referee 1: Scott Foster
Referee 2: Monty McCutchen
Alternate: Tony Brothers

Three games for McCutchen.

Multiple Sports Fri Jun 21, 2013 03:44am

If my memory serves me correctly, Tom Wahington is the only official from last year not to work this year.....

Is that correct ????

Think we may see Zarba next year.....


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