Indiana Miami: Game 3 elbow

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

Half the time they do it after the game, with the benefit of video review. Would love that option in high school.

We would never get that angle for most games. At least the NBA has the money to invest to review these things. But normally this would have likely been nothing if we saw this live.

Peace

[maroonx]

I believing your lying eyes. Different standards for different players. that's why ratings suck. lots of better options on tv than watching horrible basketball

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by maroonx

I believing your lying eyes. Different standards for different players. that's why ratings suck. lots of better options on tv than watching horrible basketball

Actually the NBA ratings are quite high. The NBA gets better ratings in the playoffs than most MLB playoff games and even the World Series. The World Series this past year had worse ratings then the NBA Finals and the Pro Bowl (yes the Pro Bowl). I think the NBA is good. Actually all sports TV ratings have dropped but the NFL.

And I do not see any HS officials seeing this let alone ejecting someone because of it. Please HS officials do not get many of these plays when they are looking right at them directly or call intentional fouls when warranted and in front of God and country no matter who the player is that did the act.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not see any HS officials seeing this let alone ejecting someone because of it. Please HS officials do not get many of these plays when they are looking right at them ......

You refer to HS officials in the third person. Do you put yourself in this category?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

You refer to HS officials in the third person. Do you put yourself in this category?

How else would I refer to officials that work HS? And since most people here are HS officials or only work HS, what other way would you like me to reference those that work HS basketball?

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

How else would I refer to officials that work HS? And since most people here are HS officials or only work HS, what other way would you like me to reference those that work HS basketball?

Peace

Several times when a call has been questioned in an NCAA or NBA game you have responded with a reflection on the same call, or lack thereof, by high school officials.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I love how HS guys all of a sudden are so strict but never seem to call what they need to in games we see.

I was wondering if you consider yourself a "high school guy."

I've switched my opinion on this play several times. Watching the game live, I thought it was a flagrant foul (NFHS intentional). Seeing the replay it looks as though Wade is doing a "swim move" to get around Stephenson. This makes me think the contact can be considered incidental. However, Wade could have run around him without jumping into the air, and without contacting Stephenson's head. So I am pretty back and forth on it. My current opinion is that I would call a NFHS intentional foul because this contact was unnecessary.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Several times when a call has been questioned in an NCAA or NBA game you have responded with a reflection on the same call, or lack thereof, by high school officials."

I think there is a distinct difference in how those that only work HS ball call the game and the way those that call other levels call the game.

Sorry if that offends you, but I am not alone in that feeling.

Originally Posted by just another ref

I was wondering if you consider yourself a "high school guy."

I do not consider anyone that works a regular college or higher level schedule a "High school guy."

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I've switched my opinion on this play several times. Watching the game live, I thought it was a flagrant foul (NFHS intentional). Seeing the replay it looks as though Wade is doing a "swim move" to get around Stephenson. This makes me think the contact can be considered incidental. However, Wade could have run around him without jumping into the air, and without contacting Stephenson's head. So I am pretty back and forth on it. My current opinion is that I would call a NFHS intentional foul because this contact was unnecessary.

I do not think Wade saw him until the last few steps. I think Wade was running hard and the Indiana player stopped in this way and Wade had to make a quick decision. It might not have been the best decision, but he did not just turn on a dime and move in another direction. That is why I am not confident in calling anything live and think only a review would even notice anyone was actually hit in the head.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Wade could have run around him without jumping into the air, and without contacting Stephenson's head. My current opinion is that I would call a NFHS intentional foul because this contact was unnecessary.

Agreed. Maybe Wade didn't see the guy until it was too late to avoid contact. But the raising of the elbow is not a natural movement for a player who is trying to avoid or minimize the contact.

[Steven Tyler]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Players in high school games run into each other all the time. I love how HS guys all of a sudden are so strict but never seem to call what they need to in games we see. NBA takes more action against players than any other level.

Peace

You sound like Jeff Van Gundy.

Now I know why they have mops on the floor. Somebody has to wipe up Wade's teardrops.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think there is a distinct difference in how those that only work HS ball call the game and the way those that call other levels call the game.

Sorry if that offends you, but I am not alone in that feeling.




I do not consider anyone that works a regular college or higher level schedule a "High school guy."

Peace

You seem to have developed condescension towards "HS officials" lately. What's with this new attitude?

While college officials can and usually are be better on aveage, there are certainly some HS-only officials that are up there with the best. They may have chosen to not pursue college due to work, family, or something else since college usually requires substantially more time/travel.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You seem to have developed condescension towards "HS officials" lately. What's with this new attitude?

While college officials can and usually are be better on aveage, there are certainly some HS-only officials that are up there with the best. They may have chosen to not pursue college due to work, family, or something else since college usually requires substantially more time/travel.

I find a lot of HS officials (those that work mostly HS) as very inflexibale or unwilling to be trained. And then they use standards of players that are incapable to do a lot of things, to the standard of men at both the college and pro levels. While at the same time going to fewer camps, going to fewer meetings and the first to complain why they are not getting a shot at higher level ball, all because. The by product of working college, you have to go to more camps and you are working with more experienced officials and partners on a regular basis. We have officials that will not call an intentional foul here or anywhere for simple excessive contact and all of a sudden are now experts on calling plays where elbows are involved and mostly an emphasis at the higher levels when they would find reasons to take the easy way out before to not call an intentional foul. Yeah right.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by maroonx

I believing your lying eyes. Different standards for different players. that's why ratings suck. lots of better options on tv than watching horrible basketball

OK, what is the excuse now big guy? LBJ fouls out in the closing seconds on a screen. He was called for a foul that was close on a verticality play (I would like to see that again BTW). Now what? It does not seem to fit your little theory.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

OK, what is the excuse now big guy? LBJ fouls out in the closing seconds on a screen. He was called for a foul that was close on a verticality play (I would like to see that again BTW). Now what? It does not seem to fit your little theory.

Peace

A lot of things don't fit people's prejudices when it comes to the NBA. After the 3rd game Miami blow-out I was reading all kinds of conspiracy theories on Facebook. Nevermind that Miami outscored Indy in the paint 52-38 with no legit post players, Miami outshot Indy 55% to 40%, and that Indy shot 44 FTs to Miami's 28 FTs.

I mean, I don't watch a lot of NBA at all (haven't watched a full game yet this season) but it's not b/c of these ridiculous tin foil helmet reasons that I keep reading from folks.