Originally Posted by AustinRef (Post 894338)

Charge - It's close and I am not going to lose sleep either way, but something needs to be called.
No call - but difficult to see contact from camera angle. I could even argue for a block as it looks to me like defender may be moving into offensive player.
Charge - I know this is in L's PCA, but anyone else wish C had a double whistle here? What other competitive matchups does C have?

In regards to the quoted, since this was a pass, does the upward movement of the new NCAAW rule still apply?

Originally Posted by dvboa (Post 894259)

1. pc.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 894370)

No. Team control. The player had already passed the ball and then the contact (charge) occurred.

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 894370)

No. Team control. The player had already passed the ball and then the contact (charge) occurred.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 894375)

Maybe so, technically. But 100% irrelevant. Once they changed the penalty for the team control foul to be the same as the PC foul, they should have also eliminated the PC foul. It serves no purpose. The same exceptions (extensions) that are added to the PC foul to cover for a shooter who has released a try could just be moved to the TC foul.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 894375)

Maybe so, technically. But 100% irrelevant. Once they changed the penalty for the team control foul to be the same as the PC foul, they should have also eliminated the PC foul. It serves no purpose. The same exceptions (extensions) that are added to the PC foul to cover for a shooter who has released a try could just be moved to the TC foul.

Originally Posted by dvboa (Post 894373)

Boy, you guys don't miss anything. I'm definitely running everything through here before anything gets published...

Originally Posted by nevadaref (Post 894381)

there are several very experienced and really knowledgable people on this forum. We don't always agree, but considering the thoughts of the forum members will certainly make one a better official and in your case could benefit your entire association.

Additionally, i would like to take this opportunity to thank you for the work that you put into making these training videos as the ones which have been posted here have generated good discussion.

Originally Posted by dvboa (Post 894259)

We always ask our officials "Did the player go TO the defense or THROUGH the defense?"

I think if you apply this thinking then the sequence becomes easy.

1. pc - through
2. nc - to
3. pc - through

Hope this helps...

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 894271)

FWIW, NCAAW has specifically said that "to or through" is NOT the way to judge PC or no call -- you can have a PC even if it's just "TO"