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OK, I suppose we did not say, specifically, what kind of games we were discussing. If you are calling youth ball, I can definitely see your point, and even agree to some extent, especially early in the season. And in a youth game, I'm going to be much less inclined to issue a T for a coach coming out in a time out to try to discuss something - and assuming he's been a good boy so far I'm likely to explain about the time out box, and where he can and cannot be, as well as trying to address his question if possible. I assumed we were discussing HS, JH, or other actual organized games when I made my statement above. |
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So by not letting the coach come out onto the court, I/we have suddenly become officials who are just in it for a paycheck??? Nice job of completely crapping all over someone because they don't see it your way. And I will ask this question again: While you are having your 2 minute long conversation with Coach A out in the middle of the key at his end of the court, just what wonderful thought do you think are going through the mind of Coach B down at the other end of the court? :eek: |
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When coaches want to extend conversations - something more than asking about a rule or finding out where the ball is being put into play - I'll call over an AC from the other team so they can hear the conversation. 99% of the time that stops the dialogue because if they want to speak any longer than ten seconds it's usually to try to gain an advantage or get on my nerves. |
Couple of clarifications. We're an 8th grade team playing up at the freshman level. Winter stuff is over, so this is a spring club league. Nothing too serious here. I also live in a big city, so seeing the same officials from game to game is rare.
We've played close to 200+ games in the past two years and this is the first time an official warned me about coming to talk with them on the court. Granted, I usually don't have to walk very far, this was an exception. I was looking for the NFHS rule that dealt with a coach coming on the court and I'm assuming it's the "Coaching Box" rule. However, I wasn't aware of the officials positioning requirements during a time-out. It wouldn't have been an issue if one of them had been closer to my bench. |
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I'll let someone who's not from Connecticut, The Land That Time Forgot, to give you the three person game positions during a time out. |
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Full = one official on each of the low boxes on the FT lane line farthest from the benches. Official who will administer the next play has the ball at the spot where the ball with be put in play. 30 = One official at the top of each FT circle. Official who administers the next play does the same as a full. If the next play takes place on the table side of the court, administering official holds the ball on the court in line with that spot and in line with the other officials. If it's a FT, the administering official stands on the FT line. Quote:
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Do you guys - BillyMac and JetMetFan - really do that during spring/summer league games?
Most of the time doing those games, I am working with a newer official so we use timeouts to discuss stuff ourselves. I can't remember the last time I worked a non-season/non-camp game and we went to the designated time-out positions. |
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I'm not saying I would have handled it the way they did; I have no idea, really. I am saying I can understand it, and they have a little more rules backing than you do. Not a major deal, I know, but just FYI. Like rocky said, spring and summer is a time to work with newer officials, and it's not unusual for me to get with my partner to offer some encouragement. |
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What's the positioning for 2-man for the last minute of halftime and in between quarters? |
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Seriously though if just doing the job of calling the game is the total extent of your interest and sense of responsibility that fine. I just do not like the idea that is put out that there is never situation in which coaches and officials should be having long conversations. We coach games with coaches of all age groups here, run officiating clinics for youth officials/minor officials who are also the kids we are officiating in older games, 50% or more of our officials in our association are/were also coaches at some level or work in a leadership capacity in minor basketball associations. If we aren't taking every opportunity we can to have conversations to make the game better or better understood who is? Without getting into what ifs forever. If Coach A comes out to talk, or I'm standing by the timeout area talking, or a magic carpet becomes invovled and Coach B wants to talk too? In the million to one shot that both want to be reasonable and are strictly curious about rules then I would work it out. In any other situation I'm not sure what Coach B is thinking matters to me at that point. Not sure what your point here is?? |
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