Throw-in question
 

A thrower-inner can dribble the ball out of bounds. The thower-inner can throw the ball up in the air to himself. Can the thrower-inner, during an endline throw-in, bounce the ball off the backboard to himself, catch it, and continue the throw-in?

PS: No I don't know why someone would do this, but I am curious.

The Thrower can do it but he will be committing a Throw-in Violation. I am headed to bed but I am sure that one of the youngun's on the Forum will come along and give you the correct rules reference to support up my call.

Good night all.

MTD, Sr.

Technically, the inbounder cannot dribble the ball.
It is illegal to cause the ball to carom off the board and return out of bounds.
The reason is that the backboard is located inbounds.

I'd call the violation, I'm sure, but I'd base it on a failure to throw the ball directly onto the court. I'm not sure this is directly covered, however, assuming the thrower was clearly not intending it to be a throw in pass.

The back of it isn't.

Yes it is. By about four feet!

Looks like part of the backboard is actually OOB.

Neither of you is properly reading what I wrote.
Obviously, I know that the ball becomes OOB when it contacts the back of the backboard.
I stated that the backboard is LOCATED inbounds. Thus a thrower would have to pass the ball such that it breaks the inbounds plane in order for it to contact the backboard. That is why the thrower can't do it.
On the other hand the thrower may cause the ball to strike other objects which are OOB such as the floor, the wall, the stanchion, a chair, a table, etc., as long as the ball remains on the OOB side of the boundary plane and does not carom into the court.
Do you now grasp what I wrote?
Since the front face of the backboard is positioned four feet from the vertical plane of the endline it would have to be an excessively thick backboard to have part of it located OOB! :D

Fundamentally Correct ...
 

Fundamental #5. Neither the dribble nor traveling rule operates during the jump ball, throw-in or free throw.

This is a serious question. Where is it a violation to cause the ball to violate the inbounds air space. I'm honestly trying to find the rule that makes this a violation. If it's not a throw in pass, what rule has the thrower violated?

cb 9.2.2 d

Breaking the inbounds plane during a throw in is not against the rules. Where do you get the notion you're espousing here?

Nevada:

See Camron's post (Post #7 in this thread).

MTD, Sr.


P.S. Thanks Camron. Great minds think alike. :D

7-6-2 "The thrower shall release the ball on a pass directly into the court..." and "The throw-in pass shall touch another player (inbounds or out of bounds) on the court before going out of bounds untouched."
Thus, a) when the thrower releases the ball into the court, and the ball strikes the back of the backboard, it is a violation.
Likewise, b) if the thrower could pass the ball so that it hits the face, side, top, or bottom of the backboard and then carom back to the thrower, it is a violation.
In both cases, the ball was released "into the court" but did not "touch another player (inbounds or out of bounds) before going out of bounds" -a) contacting the out of bounds, back of the backboard, or b) contacting the thrower, who is out of bounds.
So, once the ball is released on a pass by the thrower, "into the court", the next contact of the ball determines whether a violation has occurred.
The same applies to an inbounding pass that crosses the court, without touching another player, and then goes out of bounds.

What are we arguing about again? :confused:

1. The ball never went onto the court. (Ball location.)
2. It was not a throw in pass (assuming he intentionally bounced it off the backboard.)

We are , for some reason, arguing 9.2.2 Sit. A, which clearly says that throwing the ball off the back of the backboard constitutes the throw-in touching an object that is out of bounds. Someone thought they would be "smart" and argue that the back of the backboard is LOCATED in-bounds, even though the rules say that the back of the backboard is out of bounds.

Is it an OOB vioation for the dribbler to touch the back of the backboard?

How about the supporting cables on basketball goals? The ball can go around the cables in any direction without a violation unless the ball touches the cables.

NFHS 7-5-7 a. Any player of the team may make a direct throw-in or he/she may pass the ball along the end line to a teammate(s) outside the boundary.

If the thrower doesn't pass the ball outside of the boundary plane to a teammate as in the above rule, then it must be a throw-in pass once it breaks the boundary plane and is subject to the rules and restrictions cited by Rob in post #14.

Excellent question which will probably blow the minds of several people who KNOW the answer when they look up the relevant rules and try to prove their belief.

Rule ❒7 Out of Bounds and the Throw-in
SECTION 1 OUT-OF-BOUNDS — PLAYER, BALL
ART. 1 . . . A player is out of bounds when he/she touches the floor, or any object other than a player/person, on or outside a boundary. For location of a player in the air, see 4-35.

Rule 4
SECTION 35 PLAYER LOCATION
ART. 1 . . . The location of a player or nonplayer is determined by where the player is touching the floor as far as being:
a. Inbounds or out of bounds.
b. In the frontcourt or backcourt.
c. Outside (behind/beyond) or inside the three-point field-goal line.
ART. 2 . . . When a player is touching the backcourt, out of bounds or the three-
point line, the player is located in backcourt, out of bounds or inside the three- point line, respectively.

How is this any different than a full court pass that doesnt touch anyone or the court and goes out of bounds? except in this case the ball doesn't make is past the back of the backboard. OOB and inbounds spot is the same as the previous crappy one by the opposing team.

So, you're saying that the entire backboard is actually OOB since that is where it is mounted.:D

Now that is the kind of thinking which this discussion was to inspire!

I thought it was illegal for any player to throw the ball off the opp backboard to himself front or back. you can do it off the board you are shooting at not the opp board?

It's not illegal to throw the ball off the front, side, or bottom of an opponent's backboard in and of itself. The status of your dribble determines the legality.

I thought the rule says you cant dribble out of bounds there for since the throwing off the board is considered a dribble it would be illegal?

Sorry if someone got this already... but this seems pretty straightforward.

7-6 Article 2. "The thrower shall release the ball on a pass directly into the court, except as in 7-5-7 ("player may pass the ball along the end line to a teammate(s) outside the boundary"), within five seconds after the throw-in starts. The throw-in pass shall touch another player before going out of bounds untouched.

Back of the backboard is out of bounds, so a pass that hits the out of bounds backboard untouched is out of bounds untouched-- violation.

Did you read my entire post?

Why do you have the idea that the entire backboard is OOB?

All correct, except your seeming assumption that the backboard is OOB. Only the back is OOB.