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hoopguy Wed Apr 10, 2013 08:54am

Michigan vs. Louisville rebound action aprox 50 seconds left
 
With about 50 seconds left in the game, Louisville shot with the shot clock about to expire. In live action on TV, it looked like Michigan player Trey Burke got pushed and knocked down on the rebound and he may have been pushed into the Michigan player who got the rebound and landed out of bounds.

I only saw the play once and not sure if there was a foul or not. None was called. At the time Michigan was down by 4 points and shooting the double bonus. Did others think there was a foul or good no call?

JetMetFan Wed Apr 10, 2013 09:55am

Here's the play...
 
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Adam Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:51am

23 was out of bounds on his own. Even if his teammate pushed him, he did it before getting any sort of push from white. I don't see a foul.

rockyroad Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:09am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 890279)
23 was out of bounds on his own. Even if his teammate pushed him, he did it before getting any sort of push from white. I don't see a foul.

Agreed. It looks as though Burke and McGary push their own teammate before the L'ville player lands on Burke. By that time, we already had the oob violation, so the landing on Burke is ignored - unless someone wants to argue it is intentional or flagrant. :eek:

Camron Rust Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:16pm

I agree with Adam and rocky.

MD Longhorn Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:20pm

I will say it was flagrant. He flagrantly obeyed the laws of gravity and refused to remain airborne.

Rob1968 Thu Apr 11, 2013 09:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 890327)
I will say it was flagrant. He flagrantly obeyed the laws of gravity and refused to remain airborne.

Now, that's funny!
I always get a kick out of someone saying, "He defied the law of gravity!" Yeah, maybe for a moment, but gravity always wins in the end.

ballgame99 Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:55am

Wow, how does the C not have a foul there? The foul and OOB violations occur almost simultaineously. I would have thought it would have been worthy of a meeting of the two officials. In the end, the guy went OOB on his own and the foul on the LVille player had nothing to do with that. That had the potential to be a sticky call though.

Camron Rust Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 890473)
Wow, how does the C not have a foul there? The foul and OOB violations occur almost simultaineously. I would have thought it would have been worthy of a meeting of the two officials. In the end, the guy went OOB on his own and the foul on the LVille player had nothing to do with that. That had the potential to be a sticky call though.

Because the C, having a patient whistle, knew that contact had no effect on the play....no possession consequence. The player who rebounded the ball was heading OOB and waiting to let him do so was the right thing.

ballgame99 Thu Apr 11, 2013 01:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 890475)
Because the C, having a patient whistle, knew that contact had no effect on the play....no possession consequence. The player who rebounded the ball was heading OOB and waiting to let him do so was the right thing.

I think you are giving him a lot of credit. That's the same guy that called the "block" on Burke and guessed on the foul on Burke on the corner 3. Suggesting that he was somehow simultaneously aware of the trajectory of a rebounder that was blocked from his view due to all of the significant contact occuring right in front of him may be a stretch.

Raymond Thu Apr 11, 2013 01:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 890484)
I think you are giving him a lot of credit. That's the same guy that called the "block" on Burke and guessed on the foul on Burke on the corner 3. Suggesting that he was somehow simultaneously aware of the trajectory of a rebounder that was blocked from his view due to all of the significant contact occuring right in front of him may be a stretch.

"That guy" made a bad call on the Burke block. But "that guy" has worked multiple Final Fours and Championship games. One bad call doesn't invalidate his ability to judge other plays.

JRutledge Thu Apr 11, 2013 01:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 890486)
"That guy" made a bad call on the Burke block. But "that guy" has worked multiple Final Fours and Championship games. One bad call doesn't invalidate his ability to judge other plays.

Yep. We have all missed a call during a game. Yes it was not a great call, but that does not mean the next 3 or 4 he did not totally get right.

Peace

rockyroad Thu Apr 11, 2013 01:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 890484)
I think you are giving him a lot of credit. That's the same guy that called the "block" on Burke and guessed on the foul on Burke on the corner 3. Suggesting that he was somehow simultaneously aware of the trajectory of a rebounder that was blocked from his view due to all of the significant contact occuring right in front of him may be a stretch.

The block call was a bad call. The call on the 3 by Hancock was not a bad call. You just didn't like it for some reason. As far as this call, the contact by the flying Louisville player happened after the Michigan player landed oob. That's not gonna get a whistle. And if it had, the L would have told the C that the oob happened first. Really not sure why anyone would have a problem with this play.

#olderthanilook Thu Apr 11, 2013 03:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 890473)
Wow, how does the C not have a foul there? The foul and OOB violations occur almost simultaineously. I would have thought it would have been worthy of a meeting of the two officials. In the end, the guy went OOB on his own and the foul on the LVille player had nothing to do with that. That had the potential to be a sticky call though.

Good game management.

VaTerp Thu Apr 11, 2013 07:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 890484)
I think you are giving him a lot of credit. That's the same guy that called the "block" on Burke and guessed on the foul on Burke on the corner 3. Suggesting that he was somehow simultaneously aware of the trajectory of a rebounder that was blocked from his view due to all of the significant contact occuring right in front of him may be a stretch.

Yeah, why would you give any credit or benefit of the doubt to this official. I mean anybody can work multiple Final 4s and Championship games......

:rolleyes:


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