Michigan-Louisville clip rebounding no call (6:51 2nd half)
 

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Foul, lets talk about the two travels on Dieng.

Don't do that. Don't get off point. We have can't discuss travels on this play. Only the rebounding play.

The C takes a step up instead of a step down towards the baseline and took himself out of that play. If he takes a step down I think he makes that travel call.....

I'd like to see the C get Dieng with a foul when 52 has two hands on the ball.

Agree. Also noticed the two travels on White 10 before he got a shot off.

I just see a couple travels by Dieng, but no fouls.

the C might have had both #11's blocking his view on both travels

I also would have liked to see the #52 foul on Dieng called.

It seemed to me like the players were getting more aggressive throughout that play and that a whistle would have been appropriate to keep it from escalating further.

The play took care of itself with an OOB violation. There was no escalation.

I see only one possible travel. I see a shooter not being able to shoot because the defense is all over the ball. Sorry, that is not a travel to me. And I love the "travel" guys because I see that missed all the time in regular high school games. I guess the guys get them all here. ;)

Peace

When the player with the ball jumps and lands without releasing the ball, you have either a travel or a jump ball....not other choices if the rules are followed.

His other travel was switching the pivot foot before he dribbled....pretty clear too.

Maybe one day you'll move up from recognizing only middle school travels. THere is hope for you yet.

Exactly, but only because he stepped away from the play instead of towards it. Had he moved a little towards the baseline, then he would of had the best view/angle in the building....

Well it cannot be a travel if you do not have control of the ball. It cannot be a held ball unless you judge at the NCAA level that he had control of the ball on the way down. Once again, there is a debate we can have about how much control the UL player had during his move to the basket. The UL player does try to take on two players to shoot through. It is very likely the ball is being knocked around.

Peace

That's not the more noticeable travel. Dieng clearly travelled before he dribbled.

Video is fairly conclusive....the post player traveled at least twice.

The first travel occurs when his back is to the bucket and lifts both feet before starting a dribble. The second is when he falls backward trying to avoid good defensive position by the Michigan big blocking his direct path to the rim.

AND, how about #7 for L'ville running out of bounds along the baseline (to avoid his own player, no less) just prior to the L'ville big traveling the first time?

Hello.

So, a ball that never leaves a player's hands is not in control???

WOW. Keep making stuff up. You're good at it.

Your point?

That is not illegal at the NCAA unless the ball is thrown to #7 as he returns inbounds.

(That is the way the NFHS rule should be)

Never leaves his hands? You telling me the ball is not being knocked around at all?

I believe someone showed an example of a held ball and the question in the video was if the player hand complete control the entire time. That play previously in the tournament that was shown here was called a held ball and people here questioned if you could have a held ball for the very same reason I am questioning here. I guess you have never seen a ball handler try to split to players and ball get slightly knocked out of his hand, but have people want a travel when the ball handler has lost control? I see that often and do not call a travel for the very same reasons. Had that happen in the post season and me and my partner commented to each other during half time why we did not call a travel in that play. And this is about what the officials on the game saw or what they think they saw. They had a much better angle or perspective than anyone here would have. And I bet if you asked them they probably did not see control. Just like the held ball in the WSU-UL game they called a held ball quickly on one of the last possessions of that game and people debated if that was a good call. ;)

Peace

I'm just a NFHS peon. Hence, my surprise that a player can simply run off the playing court for no apparent reason other than to gain an advantage during a live ball.

Didn't know the NCAA didn't concern itsself with players leaving and re-entering the court on their own terms.

Interesting, to say the least.

If there was a #7 out there for Louisville the crew was having more problems than we thought. :)

They do concern themselves with it, but it's only penalized if the departed player is the first to touch or receive the ball once he is no longer departed.

Not an issue of not being concerned, the rules are not the same.

Peace

Precisely, they deal with it when it has an effect....the way it should be.

In other words, they aren't concerned about it or there would be a rule in place. :D

It looks like Smith, but I'm not enough of a fan to know his number. Maybe he's #1???

I am not a travel guy and probably would have missed the first travel on the initial rebound by Deng where he split his feet prior to dribbling....the second move he made was a travel as he lost balance and initiated contact....

On this play in retrospect, it would have been nice to get one of those travels, preferably the second one as it was most obvious, then the rest of the play would not have to be officiated.

Travels are hard in the post, especially at L when you are trying to referee contact on the torso's of each player. Sometimes, even a very wide position at L that allows L to see more of play from head to toe does not help because our focus is looking for contact. That is why we all say it is nice for T to help with travels that are obvious and no brainers - not gotchya's.

This play was at C, so while C has a wide angle, he is officiating for contact on the defender. Essentially same principles that apply to L when the play is on his near block.

The point is, it can't be #7. It's not a legal number in NCAA (and NFHS) rules.